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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ummm, so just buy Cisco.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 3 June 2014 5:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> kris@cloudcentral.com.au<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] 10Gb Switching and HP COMOS5 vs 7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Don't like them, don't think their support is very good... refurb is rare, stock is hard to get, skills are rare, blah blah.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's not just Extreme, it is any fringe vendor. For the most part I stay away from anyone that doesn't have:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Recognised brand (in Enterprise, Service Provider and Government)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Lots of online support and communities<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Lot of skilled and experienced engineers in the market<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- SmartNet/J-Care equivalent with 8x5xNBD and 24x7x2-4 response - with all capital cities covered<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Refurb market<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- A channel approach is preferable<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Strong history <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Respected by a significant part of the network engineer community<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Good spread of models, options, features<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and I am sure others....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There would have to be a massive compelling reason for me to recommend or voluntarily deploy something which doesn't have most of those.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral <<a href="mailto:kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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CloudCentral</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">: "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:06 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Joe Wooller" <<a href="mailto:joe@waia.asn.au" target="_blank">joe@waia.asn.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc</b>: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] 10Gb Switching and HP COMOS5 vs 7</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a>] <b>On
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 3 June 2014 5:33 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ausnog@ausnog.net</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] 10Gb Switching and HP COMOS5 vs 7</span><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Anyone done this and know the differences between COMOS5 and COMOS7? HP say its backwards compatible, but I am wondering if there are any stories - good or bad - out there about doing it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">The HP A5800 has 2mb packet buffers, the A5900 is 9mb.. the Cisco 4900 might have around 17mb, but I can't figure out what the Juniper has... nothing is listed here:<a href="http://people.ucsc.edu/~warner/buffer.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://people.ucsc.edu/~warner/buffer.html</span></a> to
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