<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Skeeve, <div><br></div><div>I have dealt with Extreme Support and in my experience they have been better than both Cisco and Juniper. :)</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 3 Jun 2014, at 3:32 pm, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Don't like them, don't think their support is very good... refurb is rare, stock is hard to get, skills are rare, blah blah.<div><br></div><div>It's not just Extreme, it is any fringe vendor. For the most part I stay away from anyone that doesn't have:</div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div><br></div><div>- Recognised brand (in Enterprise, Service Provider and Government)</div></div></blockquote>They may not have massive exposure in AU, but they seem to be doing ok in EU.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Certification framework with good education<br></div></div></blockquote>They have this. Though I haven’t looked into it at length;</div><div><a href="http://www.extremenetworks.com/education/certifications/">http://www.extremenetworks.com/education/certifications/</a></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Lots of online support and communities</div></div></blockquote><div>I do admit that they do lack in online community is some what lacking, however their TAC has been very quick to answer/assist with any questions/concerns I have had.</div><div><a href="https://community.extremenetworks.com/extreme">https://community.extremenetworks.com/extreme</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Lot of skilled and experienced engineers in the market</div></div></blockquote><div>I also know a bunch of people who are rather proficient with all things Extreme.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div>- Local presence with good 24/7 TAC and pre-sales engineers</div></div></blockquote>They have this. (Guys in Melbourne and Sydney for pre-sales also).</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- SmartNet/J-Care equivalent with 8x5xNBD and 24x7x2-4 response - with all capital cities covered</div></div></blockquote>They have this too.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Refurb market<br></div></div></blockquote>Not so much. :/</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- A channel approach is preferable</div></div></blockquote>I believe they have this.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div>- Strong history</div></div></blockquote>Can’t comment but I know some rather big networks using them and they seem very happy.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Respected by a significant part of the network engineer community</div></div></blockquote>Can’t comment.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Good spread of models, options, features</div></div></blockquote>They have this.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>- Standard compliant for most common protocols</div><div>
and I am sure others….</div></div></blockquote>They have this.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>There would have to be a massive compelling reason for me to recommend or voluntarily deploy something which doesn't have most of those.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Just curious have you bothered talking shop with say Extreme, Arista, or others?</div><div><br></div><div>Just my 2c</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_extra">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div>Why is that - provide evidence :)</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>: "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:06 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Joe Wooller" <<a href="mailto:joe@waia.asn.au" target="_blank">joe@waia.asn.au</a>><br>
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] 10Gb Switching and HP COMOS5 vs 7</span>
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<div dir="ltr">Brocade I'd consider looking at.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Joe Wooller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@waia.asn.au" target="_blank">joe@waia.asn.au</a>></span> wrote:
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Extreme make a good 10Gb Switch.
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<div>X670 (48 ports)</div>
<div>or X670V (48 ports + 4 x 40Gb Module on the back).</div>
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<div>On 3 Jun 2014, at 1:40 pm, Tony Wicks <<a href="mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz" target="_blank">tony@wicks.co.nz</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span>AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[AusNOG] 10Gb Switching and HP COMOS5 vs 7</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Anyone done this and know the differences between COMOS5 and COMOS7? HP say its backwards compatible, but I am wondering if there are any stories - good or bad - out there about doing it.</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The HP A5800 has 2mb packet buffers, the A5900 is 9mb.. the Cisco 4900 might have around 17mb, but I can't figure out what the Juniper has... nothing is listed here:<a href="http://people.ucsc.edu/~warner/buffer.html" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://people.ucsc.edu/~warner/buffer.html</a> to even guess with.</div>
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