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I have no experience with the Junipers but the 7201 you will find it
already towards the upper end of it's capabilities with what you
would like to do with it. MikroTik CCR definitely have the RAM,
throughput and grunt to handle what you are after as a border router
(for cheap) - but as an LNS, it depends how services are delivered
to you. I don't believe they can do L2TP VPDN session hand-off
properly. Happy to be proven wrong though.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/04/14 14:36, Tony Wicks wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To
be frank here, with your requirements below you need better
boxes. Juniper MX5 for routing and Cisco ASR1k for BNG. If
you got for the EOL Cisco’s or lower end SRX Junipers you
will just need to change them out when they run out of
grunt. If you want cheap LNS then use Mikrotik CCR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Rhys Hanrahan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 April 2014 4:21 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Cisco 7201 vs Juniper SRX 550
for border routers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">Hi Everyone, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">We are currently in the middle of upgrading
some our network hardware, and was hoping that I could get
some input on deciding on a pair of border routers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">Initially we were looking at the Juniper MX
series for this role, but found it's a bit outside our
price range (for now). In trying to keep it all Juniper
(as we'll most likely use EX-series for our core and
access layers), we have been looking at the Juniper SRX
550 routers for our border. They seem like they will do
the job for our needs, but are missing LNS functionality,
which is something we'd have to purchase 7201s for in the
future, and so therefore I’m also looking at just buying
7201s instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">Logically to me, since the SRX is
(apparently) newer hardware, it should perform better than
the 7201s. My anecdotal evidence, however, suggests
otherwise, and I'm looking to confirm that in terms of
real-world performance. Comparing the spec sheets between
the SRX 550 and the 7201, on paper it looks like the 7201
beats out the SRX in terms of performance (mainly PPS). It
also sounds like the SRXs store multiple copies of BGP
routes in memory and so where a pair of full sets of
internet routes for the SRX is not possible, it's still
possible on 7201s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">From all that I've read and heard from
various people, it seems that generally, the Juniper SRX
series is not held in a high regard in terms of
reliability or performance, compared to something like the
MX series (which is to be expected really). Whereas I hear
a lot of good things of the 7200 series, despite the fact
it's EOL, it's still being used and is a reliable range.
Due to these factors, despite it being an older router, I
am leaning towards the 7201s as it seems like an
all-around better choice in terms of reliability and
performance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">My main hesitation in going with the 7201s is
that, we'll be using them for quite a lot, and I'm unsure
of how quickly the performance will drop if I start using
more features. So I was hoping that someone could give
some real-world input so say which would likely be the
better choice. Overall right now, I’m still siding with a
pair of 7201s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">Here is a summary of what we'll be using the
border routers for:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">BGP (Initially only a default route, but
potentially 2xfull internet routes in future. Plus IX
routes.)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">OSPF (Up to 50 or so routes)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">Static NAT (up to 100K active translations)
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">Up to 400 Mbps IP Transit<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">Up to around 25K ACLs (we currently
firewall customer servers on the border. We're looking
at moving the firewalling off to a dedicated box like an
SRX or ASA, but probably not at our current size, if
possible).<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">NAT64 <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">IPSec (around 10 Mbps of AES256/SHA
traffic).<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">NetFlow<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">HSRP / VRRP<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">IPv6 Support<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">LNS (Up to 200 sessions).<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">MPLS PE<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-AU">QinQ Tunnel / QinQ Termination<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">Appreciate any insights that can be given
on which path to take.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-AU">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Rhys Hanrahan</span><span
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lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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