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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">This isn't specific to
AAPT, but at $previous_employer, we had the same issue with TPG EFM/MBE
connections. We discovered that the NTUs would get an IP address if you
offered them one via DHCP, at which point we could prod them with SNMP.
They started shipping us ones with that disabled, so we started
systematically swapping them out with spare units we had in stock, then
reset the new one and configured it how we wanted it. We'd asked
repeatedly for them to monitor such things-- suffice to say they
wouldn't, so we couldn't care less.<br>
<br>
Seeing as we were doing IP telephony, we were anal about monitoring the
last mile.<br>
<br>
I don't know if that's achievable with AAPT, but food for thought.<br>
<br>
-Shane<br>
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type="cite">
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">3 April 2014 3:04
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breath. We have been waiting for ipv6 for 6 months and remote black
whole triggering for 11 months. Then to be told everything is on hold
after TPG buyout. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>/*
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3 Apr 2014, at 5:38 pm, Jacob Kino <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>We have the exact same issue, but don't have a solution to offer.</div>
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<div>Logically, Stephen's idea sounds sensible to me. The CPE definitely
has the ability to provide line stats and I can't see any reason this
couldn't be exposed in Frontier.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will certainly be raising this with our account manager.<br>
<br>
Jacob Kino I Interconnekt</div>
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On 3 Apr 2014, at 10:09 am, "Radek Tkaczyk" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Guys,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are getting more and more cases where an AAPT
MBE connection drops a ULL, and no-one notices this until the client
complains about poor speeds, or another ULL drops and takes the
connection offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For example, say an end user has an AAPT 10/10 MBE
connection which uses 2 x ULLs. If one of the ULLs drops, the speed will
drop to around 5/5 and everything keeps going at the lower speed. This
is all fine, except that AAPT do not correct
the issue until you log a fault. Or worse, the second ULL drops at a
later time and takes the connection completely offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How are we supposed to log a fault if we can’t
monitor for a ULL connection getting dropped?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How are other people handling this situation?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Radek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Ph: 0413
383 231<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:radek@tkaczyk.id.au">radek@tkaczyk.id.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>We have the exact same issue, but don't have a solution to offer.</div>
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<div>Logically, Stephen's idea sounds sensible to me. The CPE definitely
has the ability to provide line stats and I can't see any reason this
couldn't be exposed in Frontier.</div>
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</div>
<div>I will certainly be raising this with our account manager.<br>
<br>
Jacob Kino I Interconnekt</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are getting more and more cases where an AAPT
MBE connection drops a ULL, and no-one notices this until the client
complains about poor speeds, or another ULL drops and takes the
connection offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For example, say an end user has an AAPT 10/10 MBE
connection which uses 2 x ULLs. If one of the ULLs drops, the speed will
drop to around 5/5 and everything keeps going at the lower speed. This
is all fine, except that AAPT do not correct
the issue until you log a fault. Or worse, the second ULL drops at a
later time and takes the connection completely offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How are we supposed to log a fault if we can’t
monitor for a ULL connection getting dropped?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How are other people handling this situation?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Radek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Ph: 0413
383 231<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:radek@tkaczyk.id.au">radek@tkaczyk.id.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are getting more and more cases where an AAPT
MBE connection drops a ULL, and no-one notices this until the client
complains about poor speeds, or another ULL drops and takes the
connection offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For example, say an end user has an AAPT 10/10 MBE
connection which uses 2 x ULLs. If one of the ULLs drops, the speed will
drop to around 5/5 and everything keeps going at the lower speed. This
is all fine, except that AAPT do not correct
the issue until you log a fault. Or worse, the second ULL drops at a
later time and takes the connection completely offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How are we supposed to log a fault if we can’t
monitor for a ULL connection getting dropped?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How are other people handling this situation?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Radek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Ph: 0413
383 231<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:radek@tkaczyk.id.au">radek@tkaczyk.id.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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