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    This is largely turning into a SysAdmin or even more specific
    Security or Programming topic - but to obtain multiple asetts - if
    security is set up right, would require a more comprehensive and
    full access exploit/hack, i.e. maybe a root shell, vs more common
    hacks to web-apps where you can 'trick' the app to expose raw
    database data. Obviously every proprietary system and every language
    is different  so its no use speculating on each registrars security
    implementation.<br>
    <br>
     But consider Credit Card data a good comparison - you only store
    this if you need to be able to retrieve this (auto billing etc),
    although you wouldn't store this in clear-text, and would take
    measures to make it as hard as possible for hackers to obtain this
    information. If the company wanted, technically they could retrieve
    and provide these details in cleartext.<br>
    <br>
     Anyways - enough veering off-topic (for the list) for me today.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/03/14 17:01, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOu9xNLVQF3=vs6nXCu_ZSv3828-u=k+iFdkJQ3inve_=qsJ3g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">Technically, yes there is a difference. </p>
      <p dir="ltr">Once a system is compromised and the encryption key
        available, there is no difference as far as the end result is
        concerned.</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On 20/03/2014 4:54 PM, "Joseph Goldman"
        <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au">joe@apcs.com.au</a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> There is also a
            difference between storing in clear text and retrieving back
            to clear text.<br>
            <br>
            A database exposure may not give a hacker any useful data,
            and a more in-depth knowledge of how the particular
            registrars and/or auDA's systems are run, along with
            hacking/retrieval of multiple assets may be needed to
            successfully compromise customer passwords.<br>
            <br>
            I think the news article in question is more referencing
            that Melbourne IT store the password in cleartext in the DB,
            so only DB data exposure would be required to compromise
            customers domains.<br>
            <br>
            <div>On 20/03/14 16:45, Seamus Ryan wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yup</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.ausregistry.com.au/tools/recover-password"
                      target="_blank">http://www.ausregistry.com.au/tools/recover-password</a></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sends

                    the password to the registrant, via email, in plain
                    text. MelbourneIT (or any registrar for that matter)
                    could do all the hashing or encrypting of the domain
                    password they want, you would still be able to use
                    that Ausregistry page to obtain the password in
                    plain text. Granted there have been recent
                    improvements to .au domain security (such as
                    .auLOCKDOWN) to protect against unauthorised domain
                    modifications, that isn’t what we are talking about
                    here.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s

                    nothing new.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span
                        style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         

                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Seamus</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                        lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                          target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shane Short<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 20 March 2014 4:34 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Robert Hudson<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                          target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] MelbourneIT stores
                        domain passwords in cleartext - <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://iTnews.com.au" target="_blank">iTnews.com.au</a></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">I think you'll find Ausregistry
                  stores them in plain text, too. I had one for a domain
                  I'd planned to transfer a while ago.. went to the
                  Ausreg page to get it sent to me and I got the same
                  password sent to me (so it's obviously not regenerated
                  when you request it). I think it's probably unfair to
                  target Melbourne IT specifically.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
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                          style="vertical-align:middle"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank"><b>Robert Hudson</b></a></p>
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                          style="vertical-align:middle"><span
                            style="color:#9fa2a5">20 March 2014 9:47 am</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Sorry
                          to drag this old thread up - but I can confirm
                          that MelbourneIT aren't alone in storing
                          domain auth passwords in cleartext - I've just
                          received an email from Europe Registry (<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.europeregistry.com/"
                            target="_blank">http://www.europeregistry.com/</a>)
                          with a domain auth password contained within
                          it in cleartext.</span></p>
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                          style="color:#888888"><br>
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                          style="vertical-align:middle"><a
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                            style="color:#9fa2a5">11 March 2014 4:45 am</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">It
                        occurs to me that some on noggers may not have
                        previously been aware of this. But now that it's
                        'in the news', etc. <br>
                        <br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/374095,melbourneit-stores-domain-passwords-in-cleartext.aspx"
                          target="_blank">http://www.itnews.com.au/News/374095,melbourneit-stores-domain-passwords-in-cleartext.aspx</a>
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