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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yeah I have read a bit about the single core issues on the CCR, the last time I looked because of this I saw 3 cpu’s floating around 30-60% non-maxed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I started this by looking at VM routers, but I couldn’t get pas the 1Gb/s nic. There is Brocades vyatta, but its just way to expensive compared to routeros<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My constraints are more along the lines of, I have core switching already, I wanted to add some core routing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am happy with the CCR on $$ on CLI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am not so happy about the current performance, be that limited to my testing via iperf… I am nearly ready to live with that, on the presumption I can get
8+Gbs with multi stream tcp.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My current risk is support, especially as I have had a hard time working through this CCR performance issue. I don’t want to roll out 2 of these at each DC
and then run into a bug, where the only solution is to throw it away. I can duplicate about all the functionality of routeros on linux apart from BGP and OSPF. And I am guessing if I looked really hard and spent some time I could get that working as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So taking into account their low $$ I can also live with minimal support if I have another hardware solution to match up with it on a similar $$ level. If
they can talk iBGP, OSPF and VRRP, then I am just about set. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So I thought I would dig into the knowledge pool that is AUSNOG and find out what other devices like RouterOS are being used..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Berryman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Bomba; Damian Guppy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">David is correct, the Tilera CPU with RouterOS does struggle with single threaded processes – worse than
just BGP operating on a single core, all routing (OSPF, RIP and static) processing will happen on the same core. ROS7 is likely to change this (rumours).</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But still, the CCR range has forced a lot of people to change how they think about routing (at a relatively small scale) – and has
certainly bought the cost down. “Routed” packets per dollar, I don’t think anything in the new hardware market can compete.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Vyatta has other challenges like x86 PCI architecture that will limit your total throughput – however things like processing BGP
are drastically improved compared to ROS. Ubiquity has ported the Vyatta/VyOS to MIPS processors, possibly worth a look but I don’t think it has any SFP+.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Given Alex’s application – storage – a layer 3 solution is not likely to be the best.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alex, have you considered something like the Brocade VDX Ethernet fabric (VDX could enable 40g native interfaces)? Or at least other
layer 2 solutions? I noticed that you have tried routing on switches (Dell) perhaps something with some more power with this design would yield better results for you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tom</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Bomba<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Damian Guppy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I believe he has the CCR1036-8G-2S+ which has 2x10GB SFP+ ports.<br>
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I think the issue he is hitting is the single threaded nature of routerOS for a lot of its functionality.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">BGP, for instance spins on a single core. Until ROS becomes multi-core aware/capable a lot of its functionality will be capped at the per core performance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 March 2014 12:26, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CCR1036 has no 10G ports, only 1G, so im not sure why you would expect to get a single TCP stream past 1G (even with LACP since that is not how LACP works)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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So I have tested routerOS ... in VM and also bought the ccr1036.<br>
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I'm not 100% happy with the ccr1036. Basically can't push 1 tcp stream past 1Gb/s I can get 8-9Gb/s with multiple streams. I can get UDP up to 9.8Gb/s<br>
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I like routerOS interface (have to admit I like the vyatta better from what I saw).<br>
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But now I need to find something similar to these devices around the same price and around the same performance, I would like to push it all to a VM but Brocade want my 1st and 2nd child ...<br>
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So routerOS support is nowhere close to Cisco and rightly so for the price, so I have some hesitancy in rolling these things out, especially if they are going into the core.<br>
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So are there any suggestions from the list ?<br>
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