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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">My opinion and we have been using CCR's
since the first one arrived in Australia is they are reasonable
kit. Overall I find the performance and price excellent. But
there have been just to many unexplained problems for my liking.
Not that we dont still use them on the edge we do. Im about to
roll one out to quite a far destination over the next week. But
the site has a backup and it is non essential. They are not ready
for the core and they are not ready for a network that needs 4
9's Perhaps we are at 99.9 now. Then again if I had to run on a
tight budget and I had the opportunity to trade off reliability.
It would be the number one on my list. <br>
<br>
Speed<br>
Reliability <br>
Price<br>
<br>
Pick any 3 CCR's fit in to the Speed and Price corner of the
triangle. <br>
<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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On 10/03/14 2:04 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yeah
I have read a bit about the single core issues on the CCR,
the last time I looked because of this I saw 3 cpu’s
floating around 30-60% non-maxed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
started this by looking at VM routers, but I couldn’t get
pas the 1Gb/s nic. There is Brocades vyatta, but its just
way to expensive compared to routeros<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
constraints are more along the lines of, I have core
switching already, I wanted to add some core routing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am happy with the CCR on $$ on CLI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am not so happy about the current performance, be that
limited to my testing via iperf… I am nearly ready to live
with that, on the presumption I can get 8+Gbs with multi
stream tcp.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
current risk is support, especially as I have had a hard
time working through this CCR performance issue. I don’t
want to roll out 2 of these at each DC and then run into a
bug, where the only solution is to throw it away. I can
duplicate about all the functionality of routeros on linux
apart from BGP and OSPF. And I am guessing if I looked
really hard and spent some time I could get that working as
well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
taking into account their low $$ I can also live with
minimal support if I have another hardware solution to match
up with it on a similar $$ level. If they can talk iBGP,
OSPF and VRRP, then I am just about set. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
I thought I would dig into the knowledge pool that is AUSNOG
and find out what other devices like RouterOS are being
used..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Berryman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Bomba; Damian Guppy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">David
is correct, the Tilera CPU with RouterOS does struggle
with single threaded processes – worse than just BGP
operating on a single core, all routing (OSPF, RIP and
static) processing will happen on the same core. ROS7 is
likely to change this (rumours).</span></a><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But
still, the CCR range has forced a lot of people to change
how they think about routing (at a relatively small scale)
– and has certainly bought the cost down. “Routed” packets
per dollar, I don’t think anything in the new hardware
market can compete.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Vyatta
has other challenges like x86 PCI architecture that will
limit your total throughput – however things like
processing BGP are drastically improved compared to ROS.
Ubiquity has ported the Vyatta/VyOS to MIPS processors,
possibly worth a look but I don’t think it has any SFP+.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Given
Alex’s application – storage – a layer 3 solution is not
likely to be the best.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alex,
have you considered something like the Brocade VDX
Ethernet fabric (VDX could enable 40g native interfaces)?
Or at least other layer 2 solutions? I noticed that you
have tried routing on switches (Dell) perhaps something
with some more power with this design would yield better
results for you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tom</span><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Bomba<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Damian Guppy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
believe he has the CCR1036-8G-2S+ which has 2x10GB SFP+
ports.<br>
<br>
I think the issue he is hitting is the single threaded
nature of routerOS for a lot of its functionality.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">BGP, for
instance spins on a single core. Until ROS becomes
multi-core aware/capable a lot of its functionality will
be capped at the per core performance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 March 2014 12:26, Damian Guppy
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<p class="MsoNormal">CCR1036 has no 10G ports, only
1G, so im not sure why you would expect to get a
single TCP stream past 1G (even with LACP since
that is not how LACP works)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at
6:58 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<br>
<br>
<br>
So I have tested routerOS ... in VM and
also bought the ccr1036.<br>
<br>
I'm not 100% happy with the ccr1036.
Basically can't push 1 tcp stream past
1Gb/s I can get 8-9Gb/s with multiple
streams. I can get UDP up to 9.8Gb/s<br>
<br>
I like routerOS interface (have to admit I
like the vyatta better from what I saw).<br>
<br>
But now I need to find something similar
to these devices around the same price and
around the same performance, I would like
to push it all to a VM but Brocade want my
1st and 2nd child ...<br>
<br>
So routerOS support is nowhere close to
Cisco and rightly so for the price, so I
have some hesitancy in rolling these
things out, especially if they are going
into the core.<br>
<br>
So are there any suggestions from the list
?<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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