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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">pfsense is designed around a web
interface its not grafted on afterwards so it works quite well in
practise.<br>
There is still a cli to do basic things with, assign interfaces
etc and you can get a shell and do anything you can do in BSD but
you aren't going to be setting it up there.<br>
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The issue with pfsense at this moment in terms of packet passing
performance to my understanding is PF is single CPU only, pfsense
2.2 which is currently being developed is based on freebsd 10
which does support SMP for PF. I'm having difficulty finding any
pfsense specific stats for max throughput but this guy
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=26244.0">https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=26244.0</a> winds up with
2gbit on a sensible machine with not much in the way of load for a
single stream.<br>
<br>
It's not going to compare with a big cisco but then the price
doesn't compare either ;-><br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/03/14 14:59, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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… no cli then no.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
think as a last resort I might look at building my own
again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Nathan Brookfield
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au">mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Matt Perkins;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Zebra/Quagga
has been around for a very long time and is a very stable
set of daemon’s and the backend to Vyatta so any possible
issue you would have I am sure finding an answer online
would be extremely easy. I think I have had one bug with
it in the last 10 years and that was when 4 byte ASN’s
came mainstream and that is long fixed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">PFSense
is more a Firewall than a router, it does not have a CLI
either from my experience. I love it as an edge firewall
,t is extremely efficient and reliable but short of a
Gateway I would not use it for routing at the DC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker [<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Brookfield; Matt Perkins; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">
ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tempting,
time ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Had
a look at zebra and a very very quick look at bird.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
other issue is support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
few people have suggested pfsense, it looks interesting, I
think I looked at this a while back, but can’t remember
why I didn’t proceed further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathan Brookfield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matt Perkins; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
you’re finding you can do everything in Linux why not
just throw Zebra or Bird into the mix and solve your
issues that way?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My opinion and we have been using
CCR's since the first one arrived in Australia is they
are reasonable kit. Overall I find the performance and
price excellent. But there have been just to many
unexplained problems for my liking. Not that we dont
still use them on the edge we do. Im about to roll one
out to quite a far destination over the next week. But
the site has a backup and it is non essential. They are
not ready for the core and they are not ready for a
network that needs 4 9's Perhaps we are at 99.9 now.
Then again if I had to run on a tight budget and I had
the opportunity to trade off reliability. It would be
the number one on my list.
<br>
<br>
Speed<br>
Reliability <br>
Price<br>
<br>
Pick any 3 CCR's fit in to the Speed and Price corner of
the triangle. <br>
<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/03/14 2:04 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yeah
I have read a bit about the single core issues on the
CCR, the last time I looked because of this I saw 3
cpu’s floating around 30-60% non-maxed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
started this by looking at VM routers, but I couldn’t
get pas the 1Gb/s nic. There is Brocades vyatta, but
its just way to expensive compared to routeros</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
constraints are more along the lines of, I have core
switching already, I wanted to add some core routing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am happy with the CCR on $$ on CLI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am not so happy about the current performance, be that
limited to my testing via iperf… I am nearly ready to
live with that, on the presumption I can get 8+Gbs
with multi stream tcp.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
current risk is support, especially as I have had a
hard time working through this CCR performance issue.
I don’t want to roll out 2 of these at each DC and
then run into a bug, where the only solution is to
throw it away. I can duplicate about all the
functionality of routeros on linux apart from BGP and
OSPF. And I am guessing if I looked really hard and
spent some time I could get that working as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
taking into account their low $$ I can also live with
minimal support if I have another hardware solution to
match up with it on a similar $$ level. If they can
talk iBGP, OSPF and VRRP, then I am just about set. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
I thought I would dig into the knowledge pool that is
AUSNOG and find out what other devices like RouterOS
are being used..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alex</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Berryman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Bomba; Damian Guppy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">David
is correct, the Tilera CPU with RouterOS does
struggle with single threaded processes – worse
than just BGP operating on a single core, all
routing (OSPF, RIP and static) processing will
happen on the same core. ROS7 is likely to change
this (rumours).</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But
still, the CCR range has forced a lot of people to
change how they think about routing (at a relatively
small scale) – and has certainly bought the cost
down. “Routed” packets per dollar, I don’t think
anything in the new hardware market can compete.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Vyatta
has other challenges like x86 PCI architecture that
will limit your total throughput – however things
like processing BGP are drastically improved
compared to ROS. Ubiquity has ported the Vyatta/VyOS
to MIPS processors, possibly worth a look but I
don’t think it has any SFP+.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Given
Alex’s application – storage – a layer 3 solution is
not likely to be the best.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alex,
have you considered something like the Brocade VDX
Ethernet fabric (VDX could enable 40g native
interfaces)? Or at least other layer 2 solutions? I
noticed that you have tried routing on switches
(Dell) perhaps something with some more power with
this design would yield better results for you?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Bomba<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 March 2014 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Damian Guppy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
believe he has the CCR1036-8G-2S+ which has 2x10GB
SFP+ ports.<br>
<br>
I think the issue he is hitting is the single
threaded nature of routerOS for a lot of its
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">BGP,
for instance spins on a single core. Until ROS
becomes multi-core aware/capable a lot of its
functionality will be capped at the per core
performance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CCR1036 has no 10G ports,
only 1G, so im not sure why you would expect
to get a single TCP stream past 1G (even
with LACP since that is not how LACP works)<o:p></o:p></p>
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2014 at 6:58 AM, Alex Samad -
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<br>
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<br>
So I have tested routerOS ... in VM
and also bought the ccr1036.<br>
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I'm not 100% happy with the ccr1036.
Basically can't push 1 tcp stream
past 1Gb/s I can get 8-9Gb/s with
multiple streams. I can get UDP up
to 9.8Gb/s<br>
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I like routerOS interface (have to
admit I like the vyatta better from
what I saw).<br>
<br>
But now I need to find something
similar to these devices around the
same price and around the same
performance, I would like to push it
all to a VM but Brocade want my 1st
and 2nd child ...<br>
<br>
So routerOS support is nowhere close
to Cisco and rightly so for the
price, so I have some hesitancy in
rolling these things out, especially
if they are going into the core.<br>
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So are there any suggestions from
the list ?<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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