<div dir="ltr">And ironically, less than an hour after I send this message, the latest message in this same thread on the NZNOG mailing list ended up in my Google Apps spam folder...<div><br></div><div> Scott</div><div><br>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Scott Howard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scott@doc.net.au" target="_blank">scott@doc.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I use Google Apps for 2 different personal domains (including one that's close to 20 years old!), and we also use it for our corporate email.<div>
<br></div><div>In general, catch rate is good. What they don't detect as spam, if you leave it sitting in your inbox for long enough will probably magically disappear off to the spam folder which shows that they also do spam filtering after initial delivery which is fairly unique from what I've seen.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If I have a complaint, it's on the false positive side. I probably rescue on average about 5-10 messages per week from my Spam folder. In fairness, I subscribe to a number of mailing lists including several anti-spam/mail delivery/etc style lists, and they seem to trigger fairly heavily on the body contents in some of those email. The Full Disclosure list also has similar problems. It's rare (if ever) that I have had a person-to-person email go into my spam folder.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've worked for 3 anti-spam companies over the years so I have a good idea of what good and bad anti-spam looks like, and I'd probably give Google a solid "B" - certainly not the best out there, but still far from the worst.</div>
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<div><br></div><div> Scott</div><div><br></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Tim March <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com" target="_blank">march.tim@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I'd be curious to hear how/if many others have spam issues w/ Google<br>
Apps/Gmail..<br>
<br>
My experience has been really positive. I've got ~ 5 domains on Google<br>
Apps, including my company, and literally can't remember the last time I<br>
got unsolicited (eg. not from a site/forum/vendor/whatever I'd signed up<br>
for...) spam. No funky gmail settings, no funky mail client<br>
(Thunderbird) configuration, it just seems to work.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
T.<br>
<br>
On 26/01/14 8:45 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
> I just wish Google (GMail, at least on Google Apps) has decent Spam<br>
> filtering... whitelist, blacklist, foreign language blocks, etc. It<br>
> doesn't even seem to learn very well when you mark something as spam.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ...Skeeve<br>
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> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Seamus Ryan <<a href="mailto:s.ryan@uber.com.au" target="_blank">s.ryan@uber.com.au</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:s.ryan@uber.com.au" target="_blank">s.ryan@uber.com.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I thought they started doing this about six months ago? At least<br>
> that's what i found... Good on em i say. Its an uphill battle trying<br>
> to get people to set their environment up to even a low standard. If<br>
> a giant like google forces everyone to do things properly, it could<br>
> certainly help in reducing the spams on the internets slightly. Dare<br>
> they do it for ipv4??<br>
><br>
> Seamus<br>
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> From: Skeeve Stevens <mailto:<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
> Sent: 26/01/2014 12:53 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
> Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: [nznog] heads up.. gmail now checking ipv6 rdns<br>
><br>
> Important to note.... noticed by our friends on NZNOG.<br>
><br>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: *Blair Harrison* <<a href="mailto:nznog@jedi.school.nz" target="_blank">nznog@jedi.school.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nznog@jedi.school.nz" target="_blank">nznog@jedi.school.nz</a>>><br>
> Date: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:43 AM<br>
> Subject: [nznog] heads up.. gmail now checking ipv6 rdns<br>
> To: NZNOG <<a href="mailto:nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz" target="_blank">nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz" target="_blank">nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz</a>>><br>
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><br>
> Hi Folks,<br>
><br>
> Just got caught out with this on my personal box today. It looks as<br>
> if Gmail is now checking RDNS on any inbound ipv6 smtp connections<br>
> and rejecting with 500 error if it doesn't match.<br>
><br>
><br>
> example fail -<br>
><br>
> SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:<br>
> host <a href="http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com" target="_blank">gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com</a><br>
> <<a href="http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com" target="_blank">http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com</a>> [2a00:1450:4008:c01::1a]:<br>
> 550-5.7.1 [2402:6000:1000:x::x] Our system has detected that<br>
> this message does<br>
> 550-5.7.1 not meet IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR records and<br>
> 550-5.7.1 authentication. Please review<br>
> 550-5.7.1<br>
> <a href="https://support.google.com/mail/?p=ipv6_authentication_error" target="_blank">https://support.google.com/mail/?p=ipv6_authentication_error</a> for more<br>
> 550 5.7.1 information. oq6si4802967bkb.182 - gsmtp<br>
><br>
> So if you have ipv6 enabled on your mail servers and haven't yet set<br>
> some RDNS for them.. now is the time.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Blair<br>
><br>
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