<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div>That is certainly their argument Andrew.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Problem 1</div><div>Schedule 3 doesn’t mention “occupier” nor is it a test from memory.</div><div><br></div><div><div>.</div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none; padding:0px;"><div><i>[5] Section 1.3, definition of in-building subscriber connection</i></div><div><i>equipment</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>omit the definition, substitute</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>in-building subscriber connection equipment means a facility installed within</i></div><div><i>a building:</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>1.</i></div><div><i>(a) with the aim of managing and maintaining the supply of carriage services</i></div><div><i>to a customer of a carrier; or</i></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Problem 2</div></div><div><br></div><div>When that clause was drafted “occupier rights” related to effectively to “squatting” rights hence the following wording relating to easements and licences. I should know what the intention was :) PIPE’s actions in accepting LAAN’s to customers for the past decade reinforces this fact.</div><div><br></div><div>As for the reality PIPE/TPG provide customers a service in which they give the customer the right to occupy space and it’s nonsense to consider otherwise. They provide customers the right to install equipment in a secure dedicated area, provide 24/7 access (mostly unescorted) with an access card, provide dedicated power circuits to your dedicated space as well as cooling to your occupied space - oh and they charge a fee for same and provide reimbursement of fees if they fail to provide.</div><div><br></div><div>In summary, If PIPE wants to change its mind then that’s their prerogative, but the intent of the clause is still the same as drafted by PIPE in 2002/3. Perhaps it should let its customers know that the rules have changed and that they now consider they no longer have the right to obtain telecommunications services from competing providers “as advertised” for the past decade. We saw what happened to all of (the old) AAPT’s facilities around Australia when that last happened in 2006/7. The only AAPT facilities that remain now are the Powertel facilities (with the exception of East Melbourne which has always struggled).</div><div><br></div><div>A cautionary tale for other carriers who maybe contemplating on restricting carrier access to their facilties…</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>[b]</div><div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><br></div></div><div>On 15/01/2014 8:09 am, "Andrew Jones" <<a href="mailto:aj@jonesy.com.au">aj@jonesy.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div>On 14.01.2014 17:03, Matt Palmer wrote:</div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:34:22AM +0800, Damian Guppy wrote:</div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div> I would think it is a lot more clear if a renter / owner of an </div><div> apartment or</div><div> leaser of office space is an occupier than if a colo customer is an</div><div> occupier, for one apartment renters / office leasers are covered </div><div> under</div><div> tennency laws which would provide the legal 'precedent' however colo</div><div> customers are not covered by these laws (IANAL)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> Oooh, next legal battle: get colo customers covered by commercial </div><div> tenancy</div><div> agreements...</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>PIPE's colo service schedule (at least the one I've seen) has a clause </div><div>specifically stating that the contract does not create a tenancy between </div><div>PIPE and the customer and does not give the customer occupation rights, </div><div>license, easement etc.</div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>AusNOG mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></div><div><br></div></blockquote></body></html>