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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good Kit.<br>
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      Also in North Sydney (in the Vocus building from memory), which
      might be a bit closer for you Skeeve...<br>
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      <b>Australia/New Zealand—Sydney</b><br>
      +61 2 8456 0101<br>
      +61 2 8456 0105<br>
      <a href="mailto:sales.australia@adtran.com" style="color:#4067b4">sales.australia@adtran.com</a><br>
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      (ob ref:Often a few Adtran engineers at the AusNOG conference)<br>
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      On 12/12/2013 1:11 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Excellent helpful info.</div>
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              ...Skeeve</div>
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              <div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve
                  Stevens - </b><span
                  style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego
                  Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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                      Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a
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style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The
                        Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p>
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                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper -
                    Cisco </span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Cloud</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guy
          Ellis <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:guy@traverse.com.au" target="_blank">guy@traverse.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Hi Skeeve,<br>
                <br>
                1) Throughput was the problem we had with the ADSL2+
                Zyxel - it was maxing out at around 15Mbps / port.<br>
                <br>
                <p><b>2) Australia/New Zealand—Melbourne</b><br>
                  +61 3 9658 0500<br>
                  +61 3 9658 0599 fax<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:sales.australia@adtran.com"
                    target="_blank">sales.australia@adtran.com</a></p>
                <br>
                3) We are ETSI and don't forget it - our cars run on
                petrol not gasoline!<br>
                <br>
                4) The Host model includes a management node and will
                run stand alone.<br>
                Client model needs an upstream Host for management.<br>
                Depending on your topology you may need both types.<br>
                I'm sure their friendly sales guy will help you ;-)<br>
                <br>
                Cheers,<br>
                 - Guy.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
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                <br>
                On 12/12/2013 12:21 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Guy,
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                  <div>I'd like to know more about why you think the
                    ZyXEL's weren't good.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Also, the Adtran's also look interesting.  Any
                    contact to get some pricing/info?</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Might be a stupid question.. but in AU and NZ are
                    we ANSI or ETSI?</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Also not  sure what they mean by Host and Client
                    models.</div>
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                      <div><br>
                        ...Skeeve</div>
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                        <div><b
                            style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve

                            Stevens - </b><span
                            style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego

                            Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com"
                                target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/"
                                target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font>
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                                Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753
                                383 ; <a moz-do-not-send="true">skype://skeeve</a></p>
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                              <p style="margin:0px"><span
style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The

                                  Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p>
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                              style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper
                              - Cisco </span><span
                              style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">-
                              Cloud</span></div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:54
                    AM, Guy Ellis <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:guy@traverse.com.au"
                        target="_blank">guy@traverse.com.au</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Based on our ADSL2+ experience I wouldn't
                          go near Zyxel with a barge pole.<br>
                          <br>
                          Instead take a look at the Adtran 1248V - they
                          are not expensive and are carrier class.<br>
                          They even have a local engineer in Melbourne!<br>
                          <br>
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                          On 12/12/2013 11:43 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Hey,
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                            <div>Anyone have any experience with these:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.zyxel.com/au/en/products_services/ves1724_56.shtml?t=p"
                                target="_blank">http://www.zyxel.com/au/en/products_services/ves1724_56.shtml?t=p</a></div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>48 port VDSL2 DSLAMs.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>If so, opinions welcome...  Costs would
                              be interesting to know.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Any sales contacts in AU or NZ would be
                              welcome too.</div>
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                                  <div><br>
                                    ...Skeeve</div>
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                                    <div><b
                                        style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve


                                        Stevens - </b><span
                                        style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego


                                        Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com"
                                            target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/"
                                            target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font>
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                                            Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell
                                            +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">skype://skeeve</a></p>
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                                              Experts Who The Experts
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