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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think its fair to say that since the
      FTTP roll was announced and telstra dragged kicking and screaming
      into the 20th century that the CAN has been treated with a "well
      it only needs to last 10 years" mentality.<br>
      Which is understandable, theres no real point replacing a trunk
      line today if its going to get replaced by fibre tomorrow.<br>
      However I think the big change happened around when it was
      privatised and particularly under ziggy.<br>
      It seemed to go from a place where (as a whole) doing the job well
      was valued over doing lots of jobs.<br>
      It went from well we are going to have to do this right at some
      point, might as well do it now to must maximise profits for the
      next quarter, "do more with less".<br>
      <br>
      Now I know there were hotshots, slackers and dodgy brothers back
      then too but I don't think its unfair to say the bloke we now have
      running the NBN also oversaw the biggest reduction in maintenance
      work and customer satisfaction in the Telstra CAN.<br>
      <br>
      In theory telstra are still required to maintain services in areas
      not served by NBN, perhaps a few $M thrown their way to pay for
      "repairs not economic with upcoming obsolescence" may have been an
      idea. How on earth you manage that is left as an exercise for the
      student lol.<br>
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      On 22/11/13 14:14, Paul Wallace wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">When
            the NBN was first announced (or the deal completed at least)
            Telstra immediately stopped investing in the copper CAN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">..
            as would anyone else probably knowing that the entire copper
            network was going to be discontinued.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Many
            of the complaints we’ve heard today might have been averted
            where the previous government added a ‘maintenance’ facet to
            the agreement with Telstra.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Given
            the not inconsiderable delay forecast by the NBNco to
            complete the rollout (I think 8-9 years was forecast), it
            seems negligent for the previous Gov to have exposed some
            Australian consumers to the degradation. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Also,
            strangely, I haven’t heard the Unions complain that the
            effect of killing off the copper CAN was to provide Telstra
            with the perfect excuse to make a range of copper focused
            jobs redundant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Nothings
            perfect but some things are just plain dumb.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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              lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
              </b>Robert Hudson<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 November 2013 12:38 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney)<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's axe"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I suspect those shonkey work practices
            have contributed to the accelerated decline of the copper
            network.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">That said, I also suspect that many of
              the requirements to actually do work on the copper in the
              first place came as a result of the general longetivity of
              copper networks. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 22 November 2013 13:32, Pinkerton,
              Eric (AU Sydney) <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Eric.Pinkerton@baesystemsdetica.com"
                target="_blank">Eric.Pinkerton@baesystemsdetica.com</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Am I the only person who thinks those
              photos provided by the CEPU of the aging copper network
              speak more to shonky work practices than the general
              longevity of copper networks?<o:p></o:p></p>
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