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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would say as a general philosophy,
      shared assets, (copper network, water pipes, power poles and
      wires) should be owned by the govt.<br>
      Privatising telstra retail is fine, even good, but trying to make
      a commercial return on something like the CAN isn't going to make
      for good outcomes in the longer term.<br>
      <br>
      Thats not to say private enterprise can't compete with the govt,
      or handle parts of it, IE providing transatlantic cables or high
      tension power lines (or perhaps motorways), but the important but
      low return last mile just isn't going to be profitable enough for
      private enterprise to get the best outcome.<br>
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      On 22/11/13 15:05, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Haven’t
            you highlighted the Government run V’s commercial run
            problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Commercial
            is in it for its stock holders. I would presume the people
            who do the work on the lines get paid by the job, not the
            time. Pareto’s 80% rule, the rate of return above is to
            great above 80%<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            always thought that the copper (infrastructure) should have
            stayed with a government department when Telstra was
            privatised<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                  lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jake Anderson<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 November 2013 2:25 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Paul Wallace; Robert Hudson; Pinkerton,
                  Eric (AU Sydney)<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's
                  axe"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I think its fair to say that since the
              FTTP roll was announced and telstra dragged kicking and
              screaming into the 20th century that the CAN has been
              treated with a "well it only needs to last 10 years"
              mentality.<br>
              Which is understandable, theres no real point replacing a
              trunk line today if its going to get replaced by fibre
              tomorrow.<br>
              However I think the big change happened around when it was
              privatised and particularly under ziggy.<br>
              It seemed to go from a place where (as a whole) doing the
              job well was valued over doing lots of jobs.<br>
              It went from well we are going to have to do this right at
              some point, might as well do it now to must maximise
              profits for the next quarter, "do more with less".<br>
              <br>
              Now I know there were hotshots, slackers and dodgy
              brothers back then too but I don't think its unfair to say
              the bloke we now have running the NBN also oversaw the
              biggest reduction in maintenance work and customer
              satisfaction in the Telstra CAN.<br>
              <br>
              In theory telstra are still required to maintain services
              in areas not served by NBN, perhaps a few $M thrown their
              way to pay for "repairs not economic with upcoming
              obsolescence" may have been an idea. How on earth you
              manage that is left as an exercise for the student lol.<br>
              <br>
              On 22/11/13 14:14, Paul Wallace wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">When
                the NBN was first announced (or the deal completed at
                least) Telstra immediately stopped investing in the
                copper CAN.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">..
                as would anyone else probably knowing that the entire
                copper network was going to be discontinued.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Many
                of the complaints we’ve heard today might have been
                averted where the previous government added a
                ‘maintenance’ facet to the agreement with Telstra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Given
                the not inconsiderable delay forecast by the NBNco to
                complete the rollout (I think 8-9 years was forecast),
                it seems negligent for the previous Gov to have exposed
                some Australian consumers to the degradation. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Also,
                strangely, I haven’t heard the Unions complain that the
                effect of killing off the copper CAN was to provide
                Telstra with the perfect excuse to make a range of
                copper focused jobs redundant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Nothings
                perfect but some things are just plain dumb.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">-P</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                  lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 November 2013 12:38 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney)<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's
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              <p class="MsoNormal">I suspect those shonkey work
                practices have contributed to the accelerated decline of
                the copper network.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">That said, I also suspect that many
                  of the requirements to actually do work on the copper
                  in the first place came as a result of the general
                  longetivity of copper networks. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 22 November 2013 13:32,
                  Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney) <<a
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                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Am I the only person who thinks
                  those photos provided by the CEPU of the aging copper
                  network speak more to shonky work practices than the
                  general longevity of copper networks?<o:p></o:p></p>
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