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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Haven’t you highlighted the Government run V’s commercial run problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Commercial is in it for its stock holders. I would presume the people who do the work on the lines get paid by the job, not the time. Pareto’s 80% rule, the
rate of return above is to great above 80%<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I always thought that the copper (infrastructure) should have stayed with a government department when Telstra was privatised<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jake Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 November 2013 2:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Wallace; Robert Hudson; Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's axe"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think its fair to say that since the FTTP roll was announced and telstra dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century that the CAN has been treated with a "well it only needs to last 10 years" mentality.<br>
Which is understandable, theres no real point replacing a trunk line today if its going to get replaced by fibre tomorrow.<br>
However I think the big change happened around when it was privatised and particularly under ziggy.<br>
It seemed to go from a place where (as a whole) doing the job well was valued over doing lots of jobs.<br>
It went from well we are going to have to do this right at some point, might as well do it now to must maximise profits for the next quarter, "do more with less".<br>
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Now I know there were hotshots, slackers and dodgy brothers back then too but I don't think its unfair to say the bloke we now have running the NBN also oversaw the biggest reduction in maintenance work and customer satisfaction in the Telstra CAN.<br>
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In theory telstra are still required to maintain services in areas not served by NBN, perhaps a few $M thrown their way to pay for "repairs not economic with upcoming obsolescence" may have been an idea. How on earth you manage that is left as an exercise for
the student lol.<br>
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On 22/11/13 14:14, Paul Wallace wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">When the NBN was first announced (or the deal completed at least) Telstra immediately stopped investing in the copper CAN.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">.. as would anyone else probably knowing that the entire copper network was going to be discontinued.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Many of the complaints we’ve heard today might have been averted where the previous government added a ‘maintenance’ facet to the agreement with Telstra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Given the not inconsiderable delay forecast by the NBNco to complete the rollout (I think 8-9 years was forecast), it seems negligent for the previous Gov to
have exposed some Australian consumers to the degradation. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Also, strangely, I haven’t heard the Unions complain that the effect of killing off the copper CAN was to provide Telstra with the perfect excuse to make a
range of copper focused jobs redundant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Nothings perfect but some things are just plain dumb.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">-P</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 November 2013 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's axe"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect those shonkey work practices have contributed to the accelerated decline of the copper network.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, I also suspect that many of the requirements to actually do work on the copper in the first place came as a result of the general longetivity of copper networks. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 November 2013 13:32, Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney) <<a href="mailto:Eric.Pinkerton@baesystemsdetica.com" target="_blank">Eric.Pinkerton@baesystemsdetica.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am I the only person who thinks those photos provided by the CEPU of the aging copper network speak more to shonky work practices than the general longevity of copper networks?<o:p></o:p></p>
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