<div dir="ltr">1) It's not an ad hominem. I wasn't attacking his person, I was revealing that I was having trouble understanding why he would hold the position he was advocating until I did some brief research that suggested that he is professionally directly involved in a business model which would likely need to be completely rethunk with what the IETF are proposing. Network security vendors are weird in that they often play both sides of the argument, helping enterprises secure their information from prying eyes, and also prying into information under the auspices of some wider security and safety issue. Maybe it's a symptom of their spy and resisted being spied-upon government variants, but none of it is news. As Mark pointed out, "as if millions of DPI vendors voices..." etc etc.<div>
<br></div><div>2) Geordie Carmichael Guy, son of Dianne Allana and Wayne Jeffrey Guy. Pleased to meet you. If I may be so bold as to suggest you spend more time focussing on the merit of arguments and less time wielding shock jock mythology like "anonymous people on the Internet are cowardly and abusive and their arguments poorly supported" I reckon we could usefully examine this critical decision point at how the world's and Australia's networks should be evolved and operated in the light of this clear threat to information confidentiality and security.</div>
<div><br></div><div>3) I'll have you know I am very classy I dress very conservatively yet fashionably in high quality apparel, am very well groomed and well spoken and friends tell me I am quite affable. I live in a very nice suburb, drive a late model car and have a pleasant, infectious chuckle and a confident walk that shows a real sense of purpose without being menacing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Encrypt all the things. Encrypt them all. As Mark mentioned, a key tenant of security is confidentiality. I don't even agree we shouldn't bother to encrypt the cat pictures. Encrypt those to. What business is it of the NSA's if I'm looking at cat pictures? Does legality and harmlessness in use cases actually obviate the need for us to build and operate secure networks? I don't think it does, otherwise the old "nothing to fear nothing to hide" nonsense starts to take on a colour of truth.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Geordie (seriously, Geordie)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Lloyd Wood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>An ad hominem response from an anonymous account?</div><div><br></div><div>You stay classy, "Geordie Guy."</div>
<div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 8 Nov 2013, at 14:32, Geordie Guy <<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank">elomis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Oh wait I just looked you up on LinkedIn. Nevermind.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Geordie Guy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank">elomis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Gross overreaction? I'm curious to hear more about how a national scale warrantless surveillance system, the bugging of the phone of foreign heads of state and the hacking of some of the Internet's most important company's datacenter interconnects doesn't warrant encryption. What do you think would've been an appropriate response? No ice cream after dinner and straight to bed?<br>
</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dobbins, Roland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdobbins@arbor.net" target="_blank">rdobbins@arbor.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On Nov 8, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I can't say I'm disappointed in this resolution. Should have happened a long time ago.<br>
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</div>The problem with overencryption of this magnitude is that besides the additional overhead, it makes dealing with DDoS attacks and other security issues considerably more difficult in terms of detection, classification, traceback, and mitigation, not to mention broadening the attack surface and providing a non-insignficant impact amplification, due to crypto overhead.<br>
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On top of that, it's useless - the spooks and spies (not to mention the ODCs) simply bypass it all and get everything en clair from the endpoints themselves.<br>
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This is a bad move; a gross over-reaction that, if implemented (which I doubt it will be), will degrade the overall security posture of the Internet to a significant degree.<br>
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There are no technical solutions to social ills. If this comes to pass, we will all regret it.<br>
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