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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree with Paul. Roland I think you
have missed the point of where IETF is going with this, but more
importantly I think as always, we need not underestimate the
determination of civil society, especially when there is an
amassing of technical expertise within it. This is the first time
we have been here on the Internet. And this is why the
multistakeholder model has our preference. We vote governments in
and out. There's a maturity of understanding within the greater
populations of the planet about the Internet and what it means to
civil society. That gives us a much stronger platform to work off.<br>
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I've strayed from the tenor of this list a bit, but pulling it
back, IETF has drawn a line in the sand and is reflecting a will
to accept the environment around it. The consensus statement has
not and could not spell out the extent of what can be achieved
technically. What it has done is set a clear technical aspiration
and that's the debate we need to have here. We'll let the civil
society debate in other forums decide the extent to which the
technical processes that are developed from here on can be
applied.<br>
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Cheers<br>
g.<br>
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On 08/11/13 16:40, Dobbins, Roland wrote:<br>
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On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Paul Brooks <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au"><pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Any way you look at it, it makes their effort level unscalable (O(N)) compared to tapping an intermediate cable and slurping up the passing packets.
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Nothing is unscalable to determined governments with near-infinite resources - including prosecutors, police, and prisons.
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