<div dir="ltr">Welcome to a competitive market if you're a DC I guess ?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Brad Evans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad@delion.com.au" target="_blank">brad@delion.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>So I remove my 10x cross connects and
replace it with 1. That is lost revenue, quite a bit. <br>
<br>
Sure, in reality it may not be that extreme, but it's no doubt
going to cut into a pretty high margin product.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
-Brad</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 15/10/2013 5:26 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:<br>
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<div>Reading over this thread throughout the day, it
seems to me that people are forgetting that you still need the
cross connect within the DC to get connected to MegaPort's
switching within the DC, so you would still have to pay that
$225/month or what ever fees you have worked out with the DC
in question.</div>
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<div>D.</div>
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<div>I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially
losing all this cross connect revenue. It has to be a
pretty fair chunk of their profit. We all know that it
doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k over 3 years) for 50m of
fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that that 10Kva of
redundant, protected power and cooling is worth every cent
we pay for it.<br>
<br>
I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1
physical port is crazy. But everyone else has made the
obvious conclusion that Megaport[S] open up some fantastic
options for us all. How exactly does the service work if
we take 2 ports? Are they aggregated or active/standby ? Is
it the same cost to take up the 2nd port?<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
-Brad<br>
<br>
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<div>On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve
Stevens wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey Brent,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't think it removes the cost of
cross-connects, but it certainly makes it a hell of a
lot cheaper.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc
will be $100/mth... which when you look at places like
Equinix which does Fibre at $290/mth - this will
essentially third that for permanent connections.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan
mentioned $20/day (as opposed to $200/mth) if you only
want a short term connection up and running.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The trick here will be for Megaport to automate
this so smoothly that VxC's are brought online VERY
quickly.. perhaps even have non-active pre-provisioned
ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two points, ready to
come up at a moments notice.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings
will help massively will be places like Globalswitch
with their insane install costs, ongoing monthlies and
maze of suites run by different people with different
rules.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Absolutely. To be honest I see
it as just another crossconnect - we already
have a number of customers in both GS and
Equinix directly connected. This will just
make it a bit easier (removing cost of
internal xconnects) and make it easier for us
to sell (and buy from) others in DC's that we
dont have a current presence in (eg S1, etc).
Bring it on I say :)
<div><br>
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<div>Bevan disrupting the status quo (his
specialty I think) ... :)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Brent,
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<div>You guys going to offer any of your
products on Megaport VxC?</div>
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15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
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<div dir="ltr">Its certainly
going to change the way we all
buy (and sell) services to
each other. Definitely going
to break down the current
somewhat high inter-DC
connectivity costs.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think the model that
they've come up with is a
winner and I'd be awfully
surprised if there isn't a
significant amount of
traffic (mainly on the
VXC's) pretty shortly...as
soon as the rollout has
reached that critical mass.</div>
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</div>
<div>I expect to see a LOT
more connectivity between
people (especially for those
selling aggregation ports /
last-mile access products),
transit, cloudy stuff, etc.
The current pain-in-arse of
being in different DC's is
pretty much going to go
away. Heck, we all know
what the cost of
cross-connects _inside_ DC's
is like at the moment.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also think that forcing
people to go 10G is a smart
move.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We have our testing port
up and running in Equinix -
but yet to do any VXCs.
Hopefully bringing on a
Brisbane port shortly.</div>
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PM, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr">
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<div dir="ltr">Hey Macca,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know you say
unaffiliated, but I
also know this product
of Megaport directly
competes with Vocus
fibre to a certain
degree.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let's be honest...
we're not talking
running things over
peering here... I
really don't see any
quality difference
running a VLAN over
layer 2
Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others
and Megaport...
sounds more like a
scare tactic to be
honest. Unless you
have insight that you
would like to share
(honestly, I'd like to
know)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If we are talking
dark vs. layer 2, then
I would agree.... but
I am also not
suggesting everyone
run absolutely
everything over one
Megaport connection...
go dual feeds if you
want.. I am sure
they'd sell it.
But... I see
something interesting
here, and I see it as
the future of how
inter-dc connections
will be one - whether
it is Megaport, or
Vocus or Pipe get in
on the game too... I
see it as a great
idea.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Oct 15, 2013
at 3:42 PM,
McDonald Richards
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wrote:<br>
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<div>All my
mission
critical
services on
the one
physical port
and cabling? I
can't wait!</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Macca</div>
<div>(unaffiliated
in this
context)<br>
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On 15/10/2013,
at 3:24 PM,
"Skeeve
Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">OK
all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The time
is arriving
for DC-Virtual
Cross-Connects
to become a
useful part of
our ISP lives.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Whether
it is
Megaport, or
other fibre
providers who
choose to
replicate the
model, the
Megaport one
is what we've
got at the
moment, and we
might as well
start using
it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've been
having a few
discussions
with people
about buying
connectivity
(not just
transit) over
the Megaport
VxC fabric,
but I am not
sure if anyone
out there has
productised
the selling of
products over
the VxC
fabric.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know
people like
Amazon AWS
will now allow
you to connect
to them over
Megaport with
a Direct
Connect... and
that is great.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What I am
looking for
are some
transit
providers who
are on, or
getting on
Megaport, who
will sell
either Transit
or Wholesale
services over
the fabric.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was at
an event
recently, when
Jason Ashton
said that he
was willing to
do BigAir
wholesale
interconnects
over Megaport
- and that is
an awesome
start. What I
would love to
see is people
like AAPT,
iSeek, M2 and
others be able
to sell more
wholesale
tails over
this fabric.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Transit
should be an
easy one. for
$200
intrastate
between any
connected
DC's, with
capacity up to
the connection
of your pipe
(10Gb or
100Gb), I see
people selling
transit as a
no-brainer.</div>
<div><br>
If you are
doing this and
want to
announce it
here,
awesome... or
if you don't
want to
announce yet,
but happy to
let me know -
I will keep it
quiet until
you are ready
to announce
it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also...
other IXs...
Pipe,
Australia IX,
Equinix
Peering - have
you thought of
connecting to
Megaport for
the VxC, so
people can
actually use
the Megaport
fabric to get
onto your IX
as well?<br clear="all">
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