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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+1 SPOF on customers end is how I read it… poor Macca </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark ZZZ Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 October 2013 6:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery; McDonald Richards<br><b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>So I think Macca was talking about the customer circuit being the SPOF - at least that is how I read it, and given he actually said very little, I think you've read way too much into it. Given my experiences, customers having backup links is the minority, and I think the only way you'll make them the majority is to give away backup links for free, including the routing/BGP foo needed to get it to work. The temptation for many customers in Skeeve's scenario would be to buy a single fat link to Megaport, and run everything over it, because its the "cheapest" way to do it - until it fails.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Calculating the cost of downtime is pretty simple to do (e.g., staff sitting around times an average hourly rate). Getting people to think about it and realise that that "expensive" backup link is actually (usually) cheap insurance is the hard part.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>><br><b>To:</b> McDonald Richards <<a href="mailto:McDonald.Richards@vocus.com.au">McDonald.Richards@vocus.com.au</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> "<<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 October 2013 4:18 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv9275181008><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Wow! Just wow!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Ok - so I'm going to bite - big time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Macca with respect you have exactly ZERO clue about our network architecture. Actually, I take that back. You should know that Megaport actually bought what we thought a fully redundant loop between our core data centres. So unless there's something you/Vocus isn't telling us that's problem number 1. We thought we bought a fully redundant fibre network. Could be my mistake, but that's what the order form said.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Now as you obviously aren't aware we have multiple Brocade MLX-16 switches in each metro. At the moment Brisbane has two (2) Sydney three (with a forth coming) and two (2) in Melbourne with a third coming. Why would we do that? Why not have a "single point of failure"? Well mate it's because as many on this list would know I've built this shit before and I think I understand how this works.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>So many of our customers are already using multiple ports in the same city. Why? Because:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>1. They are using Megaport to connect to wholesaler service providers (cloud ie. Amazon etc., IP/Transit ie. Pacnet etc. DDoS service providers blah, blah, blah).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>2. They are using it to get rid of crappy data centre interconnect pricing provided by the market where a GbE port is needed to be signed up on a 2 year agreement. Customers can light up a Megaport in Equinix, Global Switch or S1 and terminate their own DCI's for a day/month/year at a fraction of the cost and with absolute flexibility. Imagine $200/month for a Virtual Cross Connect (or DCI in legacy carrier land) of any speed up to 10G. Or maybe you might want that for $20/day for a day? We'll service that. That's how we roll.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>3. Because they like the diversity it offers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>But I'll let you in on a little secret. I've hired a bunch of people who have rolled out metropolitan fibre networks and ethernet networks substantially larger than yours mate. Why? Because I'm not stupid.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>So here's another secret. I'm going to build a 120km 624 core fibre network in Australia connecting all major DC's with the metro's of Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne with full diversity because I know my customers (and potential customers) appreciate diversity and so if a customer wants to connect to two (2) fully diverse megaport switch ports from a single DC then I can service that. To be clear I have zero interest in competing with TPG/PIPE or Vocus on dark fibres to buildings. Mind you I did before this smart arse remark.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>So before you jump on a list and sledge a network operator with significant history in building reliable and redundant infrastructure, you might want to get a ****ing clue about what you are talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Maybe it's time I offer a special to all Vocus customers for dark fibre between DC's. Yeah - that sounds like a plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Bevan Slattery - as a person who is affiliated and co/founded iSeek, PIPE Networks, NEXTDC, PPC-1/PIPE International, Megaport and SubPartners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On 15 October 2013 14:42, McDonald Richards <<a href="mailto:McDonald.Richards@vocus.com.au" target="_blank">McDonald.Richards@vocus.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv9275181008yqt44721><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>All my mission critical services on the one physical port and cabling? I can't wait!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Macca<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>(unaffiliated in this context)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>OK all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>The time is arriving for DC-Virtual Cross-Connects to become a useful part of our ISP lives.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers who choose to replicate the model, the Megaport one is what we've got at the moment, and we might as well start using it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I've been having a few discussions with people about buying connectivity (not just transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not sure if anyone out there has productised the selling of products over the VxC fabric.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you to connect to them over Megaport with a Direct Connect... and that is great.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>What I am looking for are some transit providers who are on, or getting on Megaport, who will sell either Transit or Wholesale services over the fabric.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton said that he was willing to do BigAir wholesale interconnects over Megaport - and that is an awesome start. What I would love to see is people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able to sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Transit should be an easy one. for $200 intrastate between any connected DC's, with capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a no-brainer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>If you are doing this and want to announce it here, awesome... or if you don't want to announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will keep it quiet until you are ready to announce it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix Peering - have you thought of connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Phone: <span class=MsoHyperlink>1300 239 038</span>; Cell <span class=MsoHyperlink>+61 (0)414 753 383</span> ; <span class=MsoHyperlink>skype://skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yqt31887><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>