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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Very interesting thread<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I had a friend of mine who went to the UK, stayed for 2 years, excellent engineer, not just networks, servers, OS … etc. Couldn’t find a job, couldn’t
get past the recruiter he wasn’t a good interviewer (and they are slightly different in the UK). This guy gets stopped from entering pubs, because he is too drunk or unruly (he usually hasn’t had a drink), and he (to me) looks like a normal person
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> but there is something about him that some people don’t like. No problems getting work in Sydney
he knows people, people know his skills… SO sometimes it’s more than just knowledge
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</span></span><![endif]>0.2+0.1 = 0.30000000000000004 so I cheated and googled and found rounding errors for floating numbers … That sounds to me more about who you know (ie whats the flavour of the month .. I guess if I had turned up to the meeting I would
known <span style="font-family:Wingdings">J</span> ) than what you know … <span style="font-family:Wingdings">
J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>I went for an IV at large government dep IT department, one of the opening questions was please describe RNMP what it does and what its used for …. After looking rather bewildered for 1-2 min, I shrugged having never heard of it… works
out the IV had tricky accent and was actually asking about SNMP, which I did know about, silly me for not asking more about it during the IV, I did get them to repeat it a few times.
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</span></span><![endif]>I spent 6 months putting together a Helpdesk team, it was amazing how many people had certs but had no idea, unfortunately we did a lot of culling based on certification or degree, we eventually found our 4 people, but I wonder how many
we passed over who would have been okay…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 11 October 2013 1:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Degrees are optional in networking team. Obviously preferred but not required. We focus on quality individuals and we've got quiet a few without degrees or degrees in the non-computing areas. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I have mixed feelings about certifications, imho they don't carry the weight that they once did, with the proliferation of testking and the like, its entirely possible to get certification without experience, hard knocks and real lessons in engineering/operations.
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<p>If i had network engineer in my titled, i'd hopefully understand the statements below. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>* 1+1 = 10; this makes sense to you and why. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>* You understand how to IP subnet in your head, calculator not needed. e.g. you know how many ip addresses in /22 without really thinking too hard. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>If you understand below, You're probably more prepared to the required skills changes coming into the industry that was highlighted at the last Ausnog in the evolution of of a 'network engineer' <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>0.2+0.1 = 0.30000000000000004<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>None of the above is difficult or complicated concepts. <o:p></o:p></p>
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