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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Because if you don't then private
enterprise will build a bunch of little fiefdoms where it will be
uneconomical for anybody else to try to take market share with
diminishing returns, and as a bonus all those areas in "the bush"
that the population as a whole is rather fond of won't get any
services at all because its not "economic" to do so.<br>
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On 17/09/13 18:09, Paul Wallace wrote:<br>
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<div>I can see it now ...</div>
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<div>Q: Minister Conroy, .. why build an NBN?</div>
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<div>A: If the government doesn't build it no one else will.</div>
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<div>Q: so .. er, why do you need legislation preventing
competition?</div>
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<div>A: What are you .. a f$&:5$@/3$&!ing Turnbull
supporter?!</div>
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On 17/09/2013, at 5:37 PM, "Grahame Lynch" <<a
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<div>They actually talked about it Paul in their verbal
commentary today and say they think they are covered but
just in case they are prepared to provide open access or
cap speeds at 24Mbps just in case.<br>
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Yes there are exemptions in the law but they are ambiguous
and clearly the spirit of the legislation was to prevent
an overbuild equating to 7-10% or so of the population.
The point is they aren't completely 100% sure of where
they stand - clearly expanding superfast broadband capable
tails to half a million apartments could conversely be
viewed as an "<b>extension, alteration or upgrade".<br>
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<b>Or put it another way; doubt they would have announced
this if Conroy was still the minister....<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2013 14:28, Paul
Brooks <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>On 17/09/2013 2:09 PM, Grahame Lynch wrote:<br>
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<div>This is what the legislation says:<br>
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<i>A network unit that belongs to a
telecommunications network (other than the
national broadband network) must not be used
to supply a fixed-line carriage service if:
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However S141C:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><b>Certain installations and
connections are not taken to be an extension,
alteration or upgrade</b>
<p> For the purposes of this Part,
if: </p>
<p> (a) a <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s7.html#line"
target="_blank">line</a> is or was installed for
the purposes of connecting particular premises to
a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s7.html#telecommunications_network"
target="_blank">telecommunications network</a>;
and </p>
<p> (b) the installation of the
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s7.html#line"
target="_blank">line</a> enables or enabled the
occupier of the premises to become a customer in
relation to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s7.html#carriage_service"
target="_blank">carriage services</a> supplied
using the network; and </p>
<p> (c) the premises are in
close proximity to a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s7.html#line"
target="_blank">line</a> that forms part of the
infrastructure of the network; and </p>
<p> (d) the network is capable
of being used to supply a <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s142a.html#superfast_carriage_service"
target="_blank">superfast carriage service</a>;
and </p>
<p> (e) the network came into
existence before 1 January 2011; </p>
<p>neither the installation of the <a
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href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s7.html#line"
target="_blank">line</a> mentioned in
paragraph (a), nor the connection of the premises,
is taken to be an extension, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s142a.html#alter"
target="_blank">alteration</a> or <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s142a.html#upgrade"
target="_blank">upgrade</a> of the network. </p>
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So if the main fibre trunk cable was already passing
the building prior to 1 January 2011, they could
extend it into the basement and claim it was already
"in close proximity" to the building, so is not an
extension, alteration or upgrade - so isn't required
to provide a L2 bitstream service.<br>
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Similarly S141B allows new network extensions of less
than 1 kilometre to be allowed, provided the network
being extended existed prior to 1 Jan 2011.<br>
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Somehow, I suspect they've covered these things off
before making the announcement.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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