<html><head></head><body>Cleanest way to do it would be to cut away all the copper. If you don't, your going to have mid-point injection problems, initially with long line ADSL2 lines and when the NBN arrives it's not going to play nice with the vectoring.<br>
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So your stuck with a monopoly, or not realizing all the benefits of fttb.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Joshua D'Alton <joshua@railgun.com.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">Better TPG monopoly than Telstra. And it won't be a monopoly of connectivity, people would still be able to use copper. In other words, sounds like a strawman argument.<div><br /></div><div>Not to mention its hardly different to Telstras HFC network.... lol.</div>
<div><br /></div><div>Anyway sounds like a great plan to me, TPG/PIPE etc etc have been offering FTTB to businesses for the past 5 years, I see no reason why they don't use the fiber they already have in the streets to hook up all the remaining buildings (somoene called Damien (is that you Damian?) posted similar in the comments for the OP link).</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Damian Guppy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.damo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This will most likely have the effect of the government going "brilliant, private enterprise is stepping up here, we dont need to deploy a competing infrastructure" and then thoes half million premises will end up stuck with a monopoly controlled by TPG (unless iiNet / Telstra also decide to over build into thoes same apartments - if they can)<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font><div><font color="#888888">
<br /></font></div><div>--Damian</div></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>From: <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/" target="_blank">http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/</a></div>
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<div><h1 style="line-height:32px;letter-spacing:-1px;font-size:28px;font-family:Geneva,Arial;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-weight:normal;padding:0px">Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB</h1></div><div>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">National broadband company TPG has flagged plans to deploy so-called fibre to the basement infrastructure to some 500,000 apartments in major Australian capital cities, in a move which will compete directly with the new Coalition Government’s plans to conduct similar rollouts under the National Broadband Network scheme.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Under the incoming Coalition Federal Government’s NBN policy, fibre will typically not be extended all the way to home and business premises. Instead, the Government is planning to deploy fibre to neighbourhood ‘nodes’, and then use Telstra’s existing copper cable for the remainder of the distance to premises.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has also stated that a Coalition Government would also examine so-called ‘fibre to the basement’ schemes, where fibre is extended to a building’s basement or other junction point, and then the building’s existing copper cable is used to distribute broadband to individual apartments or business premises.<span></span></p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">However, in documents associated with its financial results briefing today, national broadband provider TPG — one of Australia’s largest ISPs and telcos — revealed its own plans to skip the Government’s planned rollout and leverage its own fibre infrastructure to deploy FTTB.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Courtesy of its existing PIPE Networks business, TPG has extensive fibre infrastructure in built-up areas of major capital cities throughout Australia. In its briefing documents, the company said it would be “leveraging and expanding our existing fibre network” to deploy “fibre to the building” in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The ISP has “500k units currently in design”.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">“The Group is planning to increase the number of buildings directly connected to its fibre network in metro areas,” the company added. “With the evolution of new technologies now enabling speeds of up to 100Mbps, this will enable the Group to commence offering very high-speed broadband services to its customers at ADSL2+ prices.”</p>
<div style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;float:right;margin:12px"></div><p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">TPG noted in its briefing documents that it would be offering up to 100Mbps packages including “unlimited” downloads and home phone line rental, as well as a bundled Wi-Fi modem and unlimited local calls and “standard” national calls to landlines, for $69.99 per month.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Further opportunities may come due to the company’s purchase of a small amount of wireless spectrum in the 2.5GHz band, which will become available from October 2014. TPG noted that the acquisition of the spectrum would give TPG “opportunities to offer innovative, value-adding products” to “further enhance” the company’s product suite. In its documents, TPG specifically called out the service as having the potential to add value for TPG customers connected to FTTB or NBN offerings. It may be possible for the company to offer wireless services in-building from its fibre termination point.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Under the previous Labor administration, it is unlikely that TPG would have been allowed to pursue its FTTB plans, given that Labor’s policy would have prohibited private operators from overbuilding the NBN in most cases. However, it is unclear what the Coalition’s view on the situation would be. Turnbull has stated that he believes in infrastructure-based competition to the Coalition’s own NBN infrastructure, meaning it may be possible TPG may be allowed — or even encouraged — to continue with the deployment. It’s also unclear whether TPG would need to open its infrastructure to competitive wholesale access.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">The news comes as Turnbull has recently highlighted another deployment along similar lines. The rollout, in a housing estate in Sydney, <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/03/sydney-mdu-vdsl-rollout-delivers-100mbps/" style="outline:none;color:rgb(51,102,153);text-decoration:none;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(221,221,221)" target="_blank">is already delivering 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speeds</a>.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial"><strong>opinion/analysis</strong><br />Very, very interesting move from TPG here, and although it obviously comes as part of the company’s normal financial results briefing, I strongly suspect it would not have been announced today unless the Coalition won power in the Federal Election several weeks ago. TPG obviously smells the chance here to get in first and deploy FTTB in valuable areas.</p>
<p style="margin:20px 0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px;font-size:14px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">I need to go away and do some research on this one before forming an opinion. But I’m sure y’all will post some opinions of your own below this article ;)</p>
</div><div><h2 style="margin:20px 0px 10px;padding:0px;font-size:10px;text-transform:uppercase;color:rgb(204,0,0);font-family:Arial"><span style="color:rgb(153,153,153);font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none">Written by <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/author/renai/" title="Posts by Renai LeMay" rel="author" style="outline:none;padding:0px 0px 1px;color:rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration:none;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(221,221,221)" target="_blank">Renai LeMay</a> on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:54</span></h2>
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