<div dir="ltr">We do. On the current estimates the difference between the two plans FTTN/FTTH is what 600 million over the life of the project. Chump change over 10 years. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2013 19:34, Paul Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So who pays the interest Nick?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Nick Gale [mailto:<a href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wallace<br><b>Cc:</b> Robert Hudson; Tom Lanyon; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span></p><div><div class="h5">
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Actually you have an error there. In both models the tax payer pays nothing. The build is funded by govt debt.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes you end up paying it back but not through tax through service charges.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Nick Gale<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">E: <a href="mailto:nick.gale@westernpower.com.au" target="_blank">nick.gale@westernpower.com.au</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br>On 17/09/2013, at 5:04 PM, Paul Wallace <<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Version 1…</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">TPG build it & if the offer is then low cost plus very fast, people will buy it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In those circumstances the tax payers pay nothing</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In the Conroy model …</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The tax payers pay for 100%</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All fresh competition, possibly including the TPG FTTB rollout is banned</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All copper is disconnected</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All HFC is disconnected</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">.. thus allowing Mr Conroy to triple the price, provide lousy service via ‘the PMG-2” and you get the worlds most expensive broadband.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Lanyon<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p>Of course it has an impact on the NBN. The NBNs price model is, amongst other things, dependant on scale and the number of premises connected. Reduce that number by a few million, and the per-port price will rise significantly, and those in less profitable areas ("the bush" as an example), won't have their pricing subsidised by the commercially lucrative connections (in "the city)".<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 17/09/2013 6:47 PM, "Tom Lanyon" <<a href="mailto:tom%2Bausnog@oneshoeco.com" target="_blank">tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">On 17/09/2013, at 6:09 PM, Jake Anderson <<a href="mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com" target="_blank">yahoo@vapourforge.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale <<a href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Are you saying we should have the ability for NBN competitors? If so why?<br>
><br>> Because if you don't then private enterprise will build a bunch of little fiefdoms where it will be uneconomical for anybody else to try to take market share with diminishing returns, and as a bonus all those areas in "the bush" that the population as a whole is rather fond of won't get any services at all because its not "economic" to do so.<br>
<br>None of which would be an issue, assuming that this is all occurring in parallel to the NBN, right?<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
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