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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think that the suggestion that there would be at least two monopolies under the new government as opposed to just one monopoly under the previous (yes I wrote that on purpose </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>… and then went on to (tacitly) suggest that we in the Internet business shouldn’t be allowed to compete with the previous monopoly & that it’s unfair that TPG now attempt to compete with the monopoly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As Graham Lynch pointed out … competing was previously banned by the former Federal Government … truly the most regressive legislation ever seen by a capitalist society!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Of course in the 20<sup>th</sup> century the Labour Gov of the day clearly didn’t know what they were doing because they changed the law to ALLOW Carriers to compete with the old monopoly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Glen Greig<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cleanest way to do it would be to cut away all the copper. If you don't, your going to have mid-point injection problems, initially with long line ADSL2 lines and when the NBN arrives it's not going to play nice with the vectoring.<br><br>So your stuck with a monopoly, or not realizing all the benefits of fttb.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Better TPG monopoly than Telstra. And it won't be a monopoly of connectivity, people would still be able to use copper. In other words, sounds like a strawman argument.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Not to mention its hardly different to Telstras HFC network.... lol.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway sounds like a great plan to me, TPG/PIPE etc etc have been offering FTTB to businesses for the past 5 years, I see no reason why they don't use the fiber they already have in the streets to hook up all the remaining buildings (somoene called Damien (is that you Damian?) posted similar in the comments for the OP link).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This will most likely have the effect of the government going "brilliant, private enterprise is stepping up here, we dont need to deploy a competing infrastructure" and then thoes half million premises will end up stuck with a monopoly controlled by TPG (unless iiNet / Telstra also decide to over build into thoes same apartments - if they can)<span class=hoenzb><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--Damian<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From: <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/" target="_blank">http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>=====<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><h1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:24.0pt'><span style='font-size:21.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";letter-spacing:-.75pt;font-weight:normal'>Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB<o:p></o:p></span></h1></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>National broadband company TPG has flagged plans to deploy so-called fibre to the basement infrastructure to some 500,000 apartments in major Australian capital cities, in a move which will compete directly with the new Coalition Government’s plans to conduct similar rollouts under the National Broadband Network scheme.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Under the incoming Coalition Federal Government’s NBN policy, fibre will typically not be extended all the way to home and business premises. Instead, the Government is planning to deploy fibre to neighbourhood ‘nodes’, and then use Telstra’s existing copper cable for the remainder of the distance to premises.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has also stated that a Coalition Government would also examine so-called ‘fibre to the basement’ schemes, where fibre is extended to a building’s basement or other junction point, and then the building’s existing copper cable is used to distribute broadband to individual apartments or business premises.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>However, in documents associated with its financial results briefing today, national broadband provider TPG — one of Australia’s largest ISPs and telcos — revealed its own plans to skip the Government’s planned rollout and leverage its own fibre infrastructure to deploy FTTB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Courtesy of its existing PIPE Networks business, TPG has extensive fibre infrastructure in built-up areas of major capital cities throughout Australia. In its briefing documents, the company said it would be “leveraging and expanding our existing fibre network” to deploy “fibre to the building” in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The ISP has “500k units currently in design”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>“The Group is planning to increase the number of buildings directly connected to its fibre network in metro areas,” the company added. “With the evolution of new technologies now enabling speeds of up to 100Mbps, this will enable the Group to commence offering very high-speed broadband services to its customers at ADSL2+ prices.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>TPG noted in its briefing documents that it would be offering up to 100Mbps packages including “unlimited” downloads and home phone line rental, as well as a bundled Wi-Fi modem and unlimited local calls and “standard” national calls to landlines, for $69.99 per month.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Further opportunities may come due to the company’s purchase of a small amount of wireless spectrum in the 2.5GHz band, which will become available from October 2014. TPG noted that the acquisition of the spectrum would give TPG “opportunities to offer innovative, value-adding products” to “further enhance” the company’s product suite. In its documents, TPG specifically called out the service as having the potential to add value for TPG customers connected to FTTB or NBN offerings. It may be possible for the company to offer wireless services in-building from its fibre termination point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Under the previous Labor administration, it is unlikely that TPG would have been allowed to pursue its FTTB plans, given that Labor’s policy would have prohibited private operators from overbuilding the NBN in most cases. However, it is unclear what the Coalition’s view on the situation would be. Turnbull has stated that he believes in infrastructure-based competition to the Coalition’s own NBN infrastructure, meaning it may be possible TPG may be allowed — or even encouraged — to continue with the deployment. It’s also unclear whether TPG would need to open its infrastructure to competitive wholesale access.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The news comes as Turnbull has recently highlighted another deployment along similar lines. The rollout, in a housing estate in Sydney, <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/03/sydney-mdu-vdsl-rollout-delivers-100mbps/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#336699;text-decoration:none'>is already delivering 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speeds</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>opinion/analysis</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><br>Very, very interesting move from TPG here, and although it obviously comes as part of the company’s normal financial results briefing, I strongly suspect it would not have been announced today unless the Coalition won power in the Federal Election several weeks ago. TPG obviously smells the chance here to get in first and deploy FTTB in valuable areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>I need to go away and do some research on this one before forming an opinion. But I’m sure y’all will post some opinions of your own below this article ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:15.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999;font-weight:normal'>Written by <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/author/renai/" target="_blank" title="Posts by Renai LeMay"><span style='color:#999999;text-decoration:none'>Renai LeMay</span></a> on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:54</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#CC0000;text-transform:uppercase'><o:p></o:p></span></h2></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>=====<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phone: <a href="tel:1300%20239%20038" target="_blank">1300 239 038</a>; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><pre style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></pre><pre><br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. 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