<p dir="ltr">To be clear - I don't disagree that the execution has been terrible. It has been.</p>
<p dir="ltr">But that isn't to say that FTTP as a notion is broken. It is not.</p>
<p dir="ltr">And it can't be said that FTTN is the automatic solution to the poor execution of the FTTP. There is nothing to stop a FTTN implementation being just as messed up, and in fact it is potentially easier to mess up with the range of options that it presents (some FTTP, some VDSL, some wireless, some good copper, some bad copper, etc).</p>
<p dir="ltr">Whatis a fact is that our copper network, and the "last-mile" in particular is an absolute mess - ISPs have screamed at Telstra about it for years, Telstra themselves recently admitted that it is grossly undermaintained.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What I am yet to see is any solid figures on what the annual cost of maintaining the last mile copper to a reasonable level would actually be. Nor have I seen any estimate on how much it will take to bring large parts of the copper network up to standard, and how that compares to just scrapping it and replacing it with fibre to start with.</p>
<p dir="ltr">And I am yet to see any details on the the "mid-term" option to run with FTTN now and "upgrade" to FTTP later (I use inverted commas because as far as I have seen, it is a forklift job, not an upgrade in the traditional sense).</p>
<p dir="ltr">What we have seen are sensible ideas for how the cost and complexity of a FTTP network build can be reduced, and how this would potentially also speed up the roll-out. Given that cost, complexity and speed of roll-out are the biggest things that people complain about with the ALPs FTTP rollout, surely those should be the first things considered, before we throw the baby out with the bathwater?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 17/09/2013 7:17 PM, "Tim McCullagh" <<a href="mailto:technical@halenet.com.au">technical@halenet.com.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font face="Arial">"<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">The NBNs price
model is, amongst other things, dependant on scale"</font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I would suggest the pricing is more dependant on
the cost of deployment ( and a 6% return on the build cost) and given the
absolute balls up of a roll out the cost is currently probably double the cost
which a suitably qualified telco network engineer would have spent.
I have been watching the absolute waste going on in Toowoomba, with much
amazement. I imaging it is the same else where. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">This was all forseeable and in fact I personally
told Conroy to his face what the issues would be, and I have seen one of those
exact situation play out. In particular the lack of suitably skilled people
to perform such a roll out. If conroy was smart he would have
employed a Don pernel, mic rocca or Kennedy type to head up
NBNco. Instead he employed a sales engineer. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">This is going to end up being a very expensive
rollout for which we will all pay, but I think I did mention that to this list
at the start, only to be howled down. Time to jump back into my
box</font></div>
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<div>Regards<br> <br>Tim<br> <br></div>
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<a title="hudrob@gmail.com" href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com" target="_blank">Robert Hudson</a>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com" href="mailto:tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com" target="_blank">Tom Lanyon</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:55
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG]Screw the NBN, says
TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB</div>
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<p dir="ltr">Of course it has an impact on the NBN. The NBNs price model is,
amongst other things, dependant on scale and the number of premises connected.
Reduce that number by a few million, and the per-port price will rise
significantly, and those in less profitable areas ("the bush" as an example),
won't have their pricing subsidised by the commercially lucrative connections
(in "the city)".</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 17/09/2013 6:47 PM, "Tom Lanyon" <<a href="mailto:tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com" target="_blank">tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">On
17/09/2013, at 6:09 PM, Jake Anderson <<a href="mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com" target="_blank">yahoo@vapourforge.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale <<a href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>> Are you saying we should have the ability for NBN
competitors? If so why?<br>><br>> Because if you don't then private
enterprise will build a bunch of little fiefdoms where it will be
uneconomical for anybody else to try to take market share with diminishing
returns, and as a bonus all those areas in "the bush"
that the population as a whole is rather fond of won't get any services at
all because its not "economic" to do so.<br><br>None of which would be an
issue, assuming that this is all occurring in parallel to the NBN,
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