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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually that fully funded earlier version of the NBN looked almost identical to part of the current NBN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s 3G type wireless in the bush … including parts of Toowoomba .. a city of 100k people.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The really cynical thing is that Conroy killed that build. It was funded & awarded. The winning consortium was a group called ‘OPEL’ made up of Optus & Westfarmers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mr Conroy wants to suggest that Optus knows nothing whatsoever about Telecoms whilst concurrently asserting that the Government knows more, hence killing off OPEL, wait 2 years & then roll out basically the same thing in the midst of the NBN! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gimme a break!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Obviously it would have only have helped the people in the bush that need it!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>… as opposed to the current NBN which mandates the forcing of users OFF very high speed HFC onto the NBN.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My sister has an Optus HFC service In Melbourne & she & her kids absolutely love it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So when you go to suggest that she’s a fool & that she would be far happier on potentially slower (if you buy the lower packages) NBN well … you’ll need to take that argument up with here personally … she’s a labour voter too but cannot understand why she is being pushed OFF the HFC network she loves so much!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Brooks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 17/09/2013 9:28 PM, Paul Wallace wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>The network WOULD have not only existed by probably been completed today actually if Mr Conroy hadn't killed it off in its infancy.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>"A" network of some sort would have Paul - but I'll wager anything you like that we would still be bellyaching about how expensive/braindead/unreliable/insert-favourite-gripe-of-the-day it was, and floating all sorts of ideas about how it could and should have been done faster/slower/cheaper/costlier and with a different technology, different owner, builder, operator and operating model.<br>Further, if it had ever been deemed "completed" we would have fallen over laughing at the concept, and been proposing all sorts of ways to extend/expand/change it "like they should have done at the beginning" if only "they" had the foresight that this list has been blessed with - if only "they" had asked us.<br><br>In short - it wouldn't matter who did what, the AusNOG community would find something to criticise about it ;-)<br><br>(It seems to be what we do when we're not busy fixing stuff - so I'm reassured that everybody's networks must be extraordinarily stable this evening)<br><br>Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>