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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So who pays the interest Nick?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Gale [mailto:nickgale@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wallace<br><b>Cc:</b> Robert Hudson; Tom Lanyon; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Actually you have an error there. In both models the tax payer pays nothing. The build is funded by govt debt.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes you end up paying it back but not through tax through service charges.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Nick Gale<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E: <a href="mailto:nick.gale@westernpower.com.au">nick.gale@westernpower.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 17/09/2013, at 5:04 PM, Paul Wallace <<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Version 1…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TPG build it & if the offer is then low cost plus very fast, people will buy it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In those circumstances the tax payers pay nothing</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the Conroy model …</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The tax payers pay for 100%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All fresh competition, possibly including the TPG FTTB rollout is banned</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All copper is disconnected</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All HFC is disconnected</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.. thus allowing Mr Conroy to triple the price, provide lousy service via ‘the PMG-2” and you get the worlds most expensive broadband.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Lanyon<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Of course it has an impact on the NBN. The NBNs price model is, amongst other things, dependant on scale and the number of premises connected. Reduce that number by a few million, and the per-port price will rise significantly, and those in less profitable areas ("the bush" as an example), won't have their pricing subsidised by the commercially lucrative connections (in "the city)".<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 17/09/2013 6:47 PM, "Tom Lanyon" <<a href="mailto:tom%2Bausnog@oneshoeco.com">tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 17/09/2013, at 6:09 PM, Jake Anderson <<a href="mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com">yahoo@vapourforge.com</a>> wrote:<br>> On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale <<a href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com">nickgale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Are you saying we should have the ability for NBN competitors? If so why?<br>><br>> Because if you don't then private enterprise will build a bunch of little fiefdoms where it will be uneconomical for anybody else to try to take market share with diminishing returns, and as a bonus all those areas in "the bush" that the population as a whole is rather fond of won't get any services at all because its not "economic" to do so.<br><br>None of which would be an issue, assuming that this is all occurring in parallel to the NBN, right?<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>