<font size=2 face="sans-serif">What happens to those that live say 8km's+
FROM a proposed node, same ADSL issues, hell I'm 4km's from my exchange
and can't get over 1Mbps on ADSL2+ due to copper "condition"
yet (the usual store) my line won't get looked at due to it no actually
suffering drop outs, but I have to put up with the SHIT speed? Kinda stiff
luck, guess I'll have the same issues with FTTN, Bad luck to anyone that
what's a small lifestyle change and lives on a semi rural property, again
stiff luck, at least the FTTP had the facility for a network extension,
but what do you do with FTTN for an network extension? Fund a whole node?<br>
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">*sigh* looks like the next carrier/business
that comes up with the first "last kilometre" solution (microwave/wireless/whatever
back to a town at an affordable price) should/would make a bucket load.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">At least there are some out there trying...
</font>
<br>
<br><a href="https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn"><font size=2 face="sans-serif">https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn</font></a>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Regards<br>
Adam<br>
</font>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">James Hodgkinson <yaleman@ricetek.net></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Paul Wallace <paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au>,
</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net"
<ausnog@lists.ausnog.net></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">09/09/2013 11:41 AM</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [AusNOG]
GoodBye NBN</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"AusNOG"
<ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net></font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3>"People" really don't understand anything more
than "that Turnbull guy said it would be cheaper and faster"...
even some of the guys in my team agree with that viewpoint. :'(</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>James</font>
<br><font size=3><br>
</font>
<br><font size=3>On 9 September 2013 11:28, Paul Wallace <</font><a href=mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue><u>paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</u></font></a><font size=3>>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Last Saturday the people
of Australia voted the supporters of FTTH out on & voted the supporters
of FTTN in.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">That tells us that more people
don’t care about the problems to do with the copper CAN than people who
do care.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Jake Anderson [mailto:</font><a href=mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com target=_blank><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>yahoo@vapourforge.com</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, September 09, 2013 11:20 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Paul Wallace<b><br>
Cc:</b> Chard, Alex (RET-SYD); Peter Betyounan; Noel Butler; </font><a href=mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net target=_blank><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</u></font></a>
<p><font size=3><b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN</font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=3>It is a logical position. <br>
You are trading one set of flaws for another, if that trade results in
a net gain then it is a "good thing".<br>
<br>
The only flaw that has been identified with the FTTH *network* in this
discussion (not the applications such as voip running over said network)
is operation in a blackout lasting longer than 4 hours (or 8 hours if you
can get the person to press the emergency button).<br>
<br>
This is a solvable problem, you can supply power at a location with any
level of reliability that you desire, Put some bigass batteries in and
a solar panel if you have to, hell put a mini diesel generator in as well
if you are really worried. However the number of people who would benefit
from this to my mind is small and shrinking.<br>
<br>
The copper network also has major failures, what happens when it rains
and the lines get "crossed" to the point you can't dial out or
understand a call you are receiving, or they just crap out totally, this
happens to my father about once a year. Or when there is a flood in QLD
and nothing works till it dries out again. <br>
The solution to this problem is to run new copper, which I feel given the
solvable nature of the FTTH systems issues and its benefits in operation
is a bad trade.<br>
<br>
Now FTTN will take coppers problems and make them worse I feel, unless
they have waterproof nodes now?<br>
<br>
On 09/09/13 10:59, Paul Wallace wrote:</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I agree …</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">It’s not logical to suggest
that we should replace the copper network because it’s flawed to then
suggest that it’s OK that the new network is flawed.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">-P</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> AusNOG [</font><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target=_blank><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chard, Alex (RET-SYD)<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, September 09, 2013 10:56 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Peter Betyounan; Noel Butler<b><br>
Cc:</b> </font><a href=mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net target=_blank><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN</font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I can’t agree with this argument.
It’s nothing to do with planning for the older generation.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">The problems mentioned below
are real problems. And they <b>are not</b> problems that are insurmountable.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">They <b>are</b> problems that
should be addressed.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Nobody here is saying ‘stop
the NBN rollout, old people can’t cope with it’ (or at least I hope they
are not).</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">They are pointing out problems
that need looking at.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">But your assertion below is
not valid, because cars with all these fancy new features that old people
don’t have the skills to use still go when you press the accelerator,
and stop when you press the brake.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">They have no broken features…
and are ‘backwards compatible’ with old people </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Wingdings">J</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">--Alex Chard</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> AusNOG [</font><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target=_blank><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Betyounan<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, 9 September 2013 10:45 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Noel Butler<b><br>
Cc:</b> </font><a href=mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net target=_blank><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN</font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=3>Again planning for the older generation not the current
or next, it's like saying hey lets stop building more advance cars with
parking assist, GPS, reverse parking sensors, fancy alarms because the
older generation don't have the technical skills for them. </font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p>
<p><font size=3>Regards, </font><font size=3 color=#104160><b><br>
Peter Betyounan</b></font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=3>On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Noel Butler <</font><a href=mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue><u>noel.butler@ausics.net</u></font></a><font size=3>>
wrote:</font>
<p><font size=3>On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 10:23 +1000, Robert Hudson wrote:
</font>
<p><font size=3>On 9 September 2013 10:15, Noel Butler <</font><a href=mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue><u>noel.butler@ausics.net</u></font></a><font size=3>>
wrote: </font>
<br><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=3>So, your landlines die after an hour of power outage now?
find that hard to believe... sniff sniff, yes, troll day appears to have
come early this week..</font>
<br><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=3>To be fair, many people with cordless phones (and there
are lots) would start having issues pretty quickly into a power outage.
Sure, a corded phone may still work, but many people don't have them.
</font>
<br><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=3>thats there problem, you can buy cheap wired sets for 10
bucks from places like Sams warehouse</font>
<p><font size=3><br>
<br>
<br>
</font>
<br><font size=3>and as for portable, how many old folk (70/80+) run around
living on their mobiles. SFA thats how many. <br>
just because the average person and their inner circles here live on the
things, dont assume the rest of the population does as well.<br>
and the elderly are the MOST and highest "at risk"
from this change. </font>
<br><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=3>My 88yo grandmother has a mobile phone that she answers
more regularly than she answers her landline (which, FYI, has a cordless
phone connected to it). I'd suggest assumptions are bad no matter
who's argument they're supporting. :) </font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=3>Maybe so, my dad who's approaching 80 also has one,mum
does not, and does not want one either, but none of his, or mum's friends
do have one. I would expect people related to technical people may, but
don't go assuming they all do, if I went up to the RSL on a packet out
Saturday arvo and held a vote I'd be betting maybe only 10/20 might have
one.<br>
<br>
<br>
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