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interested.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'>We ended up with two preferred solutions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'>Refurbished Cisco 4948E (with <span class=SpellE>SmartNET</span>) + 2 x <span class=SpellE>Vyatta</span> (Community Edition) routers on <span class=SpellE>Supermicro</span> Xeon E3 blades<br><br><span class=SpellE>vs</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'><br>New Brocade CER2024C-4X-RT (with Brocade on-site support).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New 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style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'><br>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailOriginal"><b><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg M<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 13 July 2013 1:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] 20G+ Routing on the cheap<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>I currently have a project I am working on to peer at Equinix in Palo Alto, as well as obtaining 10G transit at the same location.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>The challenge I have is finding a way to do hardware-switched, high availability, full-table BGP routing in a cost effective manner.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>We were originally looking at a Cisco 4948E which can handle our port requirements (20-30 1000-base T, plus 4 x 10G ports), however it can only handle 30k unicast routes, and probably doesn’t have the RAM to support one or more full BGP tablesets anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>I am now looking at still using the 4948E, but using a Linux box downstream from it with 2 x 10G ports, that will run quagga to handle the routing – but obviously there will be a performance hit for this. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>Wondering if any smaller sized ISP’s have come across a scenario like this and have any ideas – or if anyone has any recommended switchrouters that can handle multiple 10G ports, plus full BGP – under $10-15k.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginal'><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>Greg</span></span><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>