<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Yep so true.</div><div><br><br><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jared Hirst</div><div>Servers Australia Pty Ltd</div>
<div>Phone: +61 2 8115 8888</div><div>Direct: +61 2 8115 8801</div></div><div><br>On 16 Aug 2013, at 9:31 pm, James Matthews <<a href="mailto:james.matthews.au@gmail.com">james.matthews.au@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>
</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">While I'm sure we can all agree that Vocus is a great company who are awesome to deal with, vibes and reckoning aren't the same as scientific facts :)  Until that time comes we are all just using hearsay regarding who's the biggest.<div>

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<div dir="auto"><div>Well we buy over a gbit from Vocus, so I am SURE that makes up something?</div><div><br></div><div>We are a small fish in the sea.... I can imagine how many other bigger players there are out there, and I reckon they don't buy from Telstra / Optus. So the routes = volume *may* be valid in this case?</div>


<div><br></div><div>I am not 100% sure but It seems legit to me that they do run a pretty massive number 1or 2 network?!?!?<div class="im"><br><br><br><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jared Hirst</div><div>Servers Australia Pty Ltd</div>


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