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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is excellent advice, although one point of note:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mod_ruid2 is still marked as experimental by cPanel due to the fact that its got a number of important incompatibilities. Notably its incompatible with mod_security which is installed by the ConfigServer hardening services. </span><a href="http://docs.cpanel.net/twiki/bin/view/EasyApache/Apache/ModRuid#Incompatibilities">http://docs.cpanel.net/twiki/bin/view/EasyApache/Apache/ModRuid#Incompatibilities</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Seamus’ advice to use CageFS under CloudLinux is a very good one and does much of the same work you get with the jailed apache configuration, although it’s a bit of work to set up. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karl Hardisty<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 31 July 2013 8:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Cc:</b> s.scafe@smellyblackdog.com.au<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] CPanel Hardening Recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Sam,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gary's advice is good, as is Seamus'.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Can we take as a given the usual:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- SSH password authorisation off<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- SSH port set to random<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- SSH keys <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- no SSH for users if shared? (as most do). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- SSH login limited to nominated IPs (if above is enforced)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- running maldet or similar<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We also have our cPanel instances set up to notify upon upload of scripts that can send email, and notification of top mail senders on each server each day.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To add to Gary's advice, cPanel 11.38 allows jailed apache support - each virtual host chrooted to it's own virtfs - in conjunction with mod_ruid2. The latest attack vector is to find an unpatched Wordpress or Joomla (surprise, surprise) site, gain control of the account and use symlinks to hijack all other Wordpress/Joomla accounts on the server. Unless you've used the aforementioned or carried out hardening of mod_suphp or php module of choice then it's easy enough to do:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://devzcyberarena.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/how-to-hack-websites-using-symlink.html">http://devzcyberarena.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/how-to-hack-websites-using-symlink.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://thecybersaviours.com/wordpress-hack-through-symlink-bypass">http://thecybersaviours.com/wordpress-hack-through-symlink-bypass</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are solutions such as the below:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://whmscripts.net/misc/2013/apache-symlink-security-issue-fixpatch/">http://whmscripts.net/misc/2013/apache-symlink-security-issue-fixpatch/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and cPanel's own forums are useful:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://forums.cpanel.net/f185/solutions-handling-symlink-attacks-202242-p24.html">https://forums.cpanel.net/f185/solutions-handling-symlink-attacks-202242-p24.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://forums.cpanel.net/f185/solutions-handling-symlink-attacks-202242-p4.html#post996441">https://forums.cpanel.net/f185/solutions-handling-symlink-attacks-202242-p4.html#post996441</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://forums.cpanel.net/f442/mod_ruid2-vs-suphp-costs-vs-benefits-269601.html">http://forums.cpanel.net/f442/mod_ruid2-vs-suphp-costs-vs-benefits-269601.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From a network perspective, distributed attempts to hit Wordpress logins are gaining momentum. One of the largest providers here have disabled wp-login for all sites for periods of time to mitigate the damage these types of attacks are causing, as traditional DDOS/firewalling can struggle. Best talk to someone like A10 networks or other WAF vendors about that. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>k.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>E</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'> <a href="mailto:karl@mothership.co.nz">karl@mothership.co.nz</a> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>W </span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'><a href="http://mothership.co.nz">mothership.co.nz</a> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>A</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'> PO Box 99814, Newmarket</span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#515151'> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>M </span></b></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>021 999 990 </span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>P</span></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'> 974 3171</span></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#515151'> </span></b></span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 30/07/2013, at 11:33 AM, Gary Buckmaster <<a href="mailto:gary.buckmaster@digitalpacific.com.au">gary.buckmaster@digitalpacific.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Further to this, ConfigServer offers a complete cPanel server hardening service which includes the license for CXS and optionally their MailScanner product:</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.configserver.com/cp/cpanel.html"><span style='color:#954F72'>http://www.configserver.com/cp/cpanel.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Seamus Ryan<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, 29 July 2013 6:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Samantha Scafe'; '<a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG] CPanel Hardening Recommendations</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If it is a fresh install and you are unfamiliar with cPanel here are some things to get you started:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run /scripts/easyapache from the command line and be smart about what php/apache modules and versions to include in your build (Some general knowledge in this area will help)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Download and install CSF (its free) from<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html"><span style='color:#954F72'>http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html</span></a>. Even if you don’t run it as a firewall, it will still tell you loads about how secure your server is, and what things should be disabled/changed (Aim to achieve a score of about 125/130)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Get CXS (<a href="http://configserver.com/cp/cxs.html"><span style='color:#954F72'>http://configserver.com/cp/cxs.html</span></a>) paid product, great for finding the nasties on various websites.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>4.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run regular updates (via yum)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>5.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run cloudlinux (paid product) to protect a single user from crashing the server when under load<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>6.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If you must give users a shell, give them a jailshell (can be done through WHM)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>7.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run cagefs (cloudlinux addon, locks users in an even more secure environment)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>8.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run ksplice (great for many linux distros IMO)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>9.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run regular updates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>10.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Run regular updates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Seamus<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Samantha Scafe<br>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:55 PM<br>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net"><span style='color:#954F72'>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CPanel Hardening Recommendations</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Guys<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Can anyone offer me recommendations to harden cpanel, or offers that service Please reply offlist<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kindest Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Samantha Scafe<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sam Scafe | System Adminstrator / Network Services SBDC HQ | 13 Mahogony Street, Holloways Beach Qld 4878<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>PEN-DC-1 | Able Street Jamisontown NSW 2750<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>BNE-DC-3 | Brunswick Street, Fortitude Valley Qld 4004<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tel: 07 4242 4724 | Fax: 07 42424747 | Mobile: 0424 136 364<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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