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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s pretty cool, though I’d be surprised to see Telstra offering something comparable it’d definitely go a long way to solving this for most people.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Ayden Beeson</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Scott Howard [mailto:scott@doc.net.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 19 July 2013 2:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Beeson, Ayden<br><b>Cc:</b> Jonathan Thorpe; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>These are starting to become more common here in the US - <a href="http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/att/wireless-home-phone-silver.html#fbid=9QKmNcxYwrl">http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/att/wireless-home-phone-silver.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Connects to a standard POTS handset (and power), and is charged like a landline - but the calls go over the mobile network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cost is roughly the same as a true landline.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>No learning curve as it's exactly the same handset as for a landline. Includes a battery so it can continue to work (for a while at least) during a blackout.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Beeson, Ayden <<a href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au" target="_blank">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Completely agree, using a mobile is a better option in most cases, but it's that learning curve, then they have to keep it charged, pay for a mobile plan, have service etc.<br><br>My in-laws are a prime example (though they don't need the phone for medical reasons or anything). They live 20 minutes out of town here, due to geographic layout most of the small town / village / community they live in gets poor coverage at best, non-existent inside the house (Telstra and Optus btw, don't even mention Vodafone out here). They both have mobiles but they hate to use them and only turn them on in an emergency (basically, broken down on the way to work is about it) and you just don't even try to contact them on it cause it's a waste of time.<br><br>Also things like that tend to be hard to put numbers against (time or cost) so avoiding it makes sense from a planning perspective.<br><br>You can get ADSL modem / router / ATA boxes now and it's not hard to imagine a GPON Modem / router / ATA in the future but that doesn't exist now that I'm aware of, it'd still need a battery backup then too.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Ayden Beeson<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Thorpe<br>Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 2:25 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices<br><br>Would it really be such a bad idea to encourage these people to use a mobile? Politically, of course it would be, but in reality, would it?<br><br>If someone really just wants a phone, I'm pretty sure vendors will be quick to build plug-n-play devices that provide an analogue voice port at one end and a fibre port at the other. Yes, this is effectively a router + ATA such as those already available, but does provide a certain level of familiarity that these people are looking for.<br><br>Similar to an ISDN to Analogue adapter perhaps?<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Heinz N<br>Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 2:04 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices<br><br><br><br>On Fri, 19 Jul 2013, Beeson, Ayden wrote:<br>><br>> There is also that major point made before, that some people simply<br>> require a PSTN service that is reliable and guaranteed.<br><br>+1<br><br>With NBN, Granny Myrtle McCready will now need a NTU that needs a power brick with a battery. She will also need an ATA (which ALSO needs power).<br>She can't understand why she needs to have all those extra new fangled power cables going to those funny boxes with lights on them. Perhaps ditching NBN and getting a mobile would be a MUCH easier solution for her?<br><br>In order to save power because of price gouging by electricty suppliers and incompetent governments, she turns her electricity off "of the night"<br>and wonders why her grand daugther isn't phoning her any more (as well as the funny beeping from one of the boxes). 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