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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s a late reply, but don’t discount the idea of using an L3 switch in place of a router, we have used 3750’s and 6513’s to provide a 1gb connection to the world with BGP and OSPF running on them happily (on the 3750 it was just the filtered default route for BGP but I think that’s all you would need).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We currently use a 4500-X as our primary net device and it collects a full BGP v4 and v6 route table with no problems at all and its capable of 10gb/s on all its interfaces.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Cisco (and I’m sure the others) sell numerous really good L3 switches for ok prices, their routers tend to be cheaper but the switches are generally better performing in PPS and closer to line rate than the routers at the lower price points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Ayden Beeson</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Watson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 July 2013 11:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jared Hirst<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Assistance in picking a router<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Jared<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am going on what ive been told<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for discussing it, and having Nathan take time out of his busy evening to investigate this further,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This thread was designed to find more information about routers. Not about the issues im having. But sort of stemed more onto that then it should of<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Awaiting further updates from SAU staff about my issues<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 17/07/2013, at 23:06, "Jared Hirst" <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is configured fine, you wanted to hide us from your path and we suggested a vyatta virtual router as you did not want us to route your ips nor did you want to invest $10,000 in a decent router.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The degraded traffic only appears when you are under high packets per second ddos. I advised earlier about this. There is no Mis configuration, we are going to try and stop the attacks from bringing your network offline.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you were being advertised by us then out routers would not have this issue, as many have suggested when you have a single upstream this is the best way to go about having a stable and redundant network setup, as we have dual routers and very powerful routers that can handle high PPS.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just for the lists sake, we have done and will continue to do everything we can as the provider for this AS!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I made one suggestion to maybe look into a hardware router to cope with Mis fragmented packets and high PPS and now I am being dragged into something that I shouldn't be.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel I suggest you talk to us rather than this list and rather than bring me into a public forum and make possibly incorrect accusations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jared<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On Wednesday, 17 July 2013, Daniel Watson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gday James<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We want to be white labled and hidden from SAU. Thus the router idea<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jared suggested virtual Vyatta as it works fine<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Clearly not. As now they have said its not configured correctly...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just some insight for you<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 17/07/2013, at 22:35, "James Braunegg" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'james.braunegg@micron21.com');" target="_blank">james.braunegg@micron21.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you only have one upstream provider, I would question if you even need to run your own router… why not let your upstream provider advertise your IP ranges for you, let them do BGP which will allow you to do just switching downstream.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Because it sounds like your only taking a default route the other option is maybe not even looking at a router. Instead I’d look at a nice layer 3 switch with BGP which will outperform most low end software routers from a packet per second point of view.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kindest Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James Braunegg<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 1300 769 972 | <b>M:</b> 0488 997 207 | <b>D:</b> (03) 9751 7616</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>E:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'james.braunegg@micron21.com');" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>james.braunegg@micron21.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> | <b>ABN:</b> 12 109 977 666 <br><b>W:</b> <a href="http://www.micron21.com/ip-transit" target="_blank">www.micron21.com/ip-transit</a> <b>T:</b> @micron21</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Kindest Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jared Hirst</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Servers Australia Pty Ltd</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Phone: +61 2 8115 8801<br>Network Ops: +61 2 8115 8850<br>Web: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070C0'> </span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="http://www.serversaustralia.com.au/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0070C0'>http://www.serversaustralia.com.au</span></a><span style='color:#0070C0'><br></span></span></u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Office Address: 2/2 Teamster Close, Tuggerah NSW 2259<br>Postal Address: PO Box 3187, Tuggerah NSW 2259</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#009900'>Please consider the environment before printing this email - every year we are losing 40 million acres of oxygen producing forests through logging and land clearing.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></div>
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