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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks all for the feedback. We’ve asked our US supplier for a quote on a Brocade CER 2024, however given the likely $10k price difference between it and a 4948E, we will probably in the end go with a hardened Gentoo server/blade with dual 10G ports running quagga.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We currently run this exact setup at a datacentre in Fremont and are pushing 8Gbps at peak without any packet drops on the 4948E and Linux server.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Seems to be a lot of people in the same basket… I’ll follow up with some results in late August once we have this kit installed at Equinix SV1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 13 July 2013 8:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> McDonald Richards<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] 20G+ Routing on the cheap<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've heard good things and bad things about the CER.. mainly that it uses commodity RAM and is rather slow. But it is reasonable bang for buck.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ; </span><a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>www.eintellegonetworks.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ; </span><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>linkedin.com/in/skeeve</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>twitter.com/networkceoau</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>www.network-ceo.net</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 width=223 height=64 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png" alt="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM, McDonald Richards <<a href="mailto:McDonald.Richards@vocus.com.au" target="_blank">McDonald.Richards@vocus.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If it was me with that budget and that requirement, I'd go the Brocade CER-RT. The bang-for-buck is amazing and very Cisco-like CLI. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.brocade.com/downloads/documents/data_sheets/product_data_sheets/NetIron_CER_2000_DS.pdf" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://www.brocade.com/downloads/documents/data_sheets/product_data_sheets/NetIron_CER_2000_DS.pdf</span></a><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Macca<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Greg M <</span><a href="mailto:gregm@servu.net.au" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>gregm@servu.net.au</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>><br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, 13 July 2013 3:58 PM<br><b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>" <</span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>><br><b>Subject: </b>[AusNOG] 20G+ Routing on the cheap<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I currently have a project I am working on to peer at Equinix in Palo Alto, as well as obtaining 10G transit at the same location.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The challenge I have is finding a way to do hardware-switched, high availability, full-table BGP routing in a cost effective manner.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We were originally looking at a Cisco 4948E which can handle our port requirements (20-30 1000-base T, plus 4 x 10G ports), however it can only handle 30k unicast routes, and probably doesn’t have the RAM to support one or more full BGP tablesets anyway.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am now looking at still using the 4948E, but using a Linux box downstream from it with 2 x 10G ports, that will run quagga to handle the routing – but obviously there will be a performance hit for this. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Wondering if any smaller sized ISP’s have come across a scenario like this and have any ideas – or if anyone has any recommended switchrouters that can handle multiple 10G ports, plus full BGP – under $10-15k.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a 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