<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It's the fact that its all so secretive that makes people nervous.</div><div><br></div><div>Secrets Courts convened to issue secret orders allowing secrets organizations to secretly surveil goodness only knows what ..</div><div><br></div><div>.. and secretly co-opting or forcing other counties to join the, what looks like unreasonable, activity.</div><div><br></div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone powered by Polyfone Telecom<div><br></div></div><div><br>On 13/07/2013, at 10:56 AM, "James Hodgkinson" <<a href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net">yaleman@ricetek.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">It's not spying if you're not a bad guy, it's just checking up on you to make sure you are ok!</p>
<p dir="ltr">... when did this all become ok? Who voted in a democratic process to allow this? :(</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13/07/2013 10:51 AM, "Geordie Guy" <<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com">elomis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">Curious what the official definition of spying is if it isn't "provides information on citizens to a foreign government".</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Geordie</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13/07/2013 9:01 AM, "Tim March" <<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com" target="_blank">march.tim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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