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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>A few corrections to your post:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Gb microwave has been shipping commercially around the world for over a decade now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>These days 2Gbs is similarly available commercially.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The Carrier that owns the greatest volume of 2.5GHz spectrum in the USA is a larger kinda Carrier called ClearWire<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>ClearWire sells 4G access (that would be broadband wouldn’t it?) via dongles in quite a few of the large cities in the USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>ClearWire has deployed in excess of 1,200 of these Gb microwave trunks into the 5 boroughs of NYC ALONE!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>And they have deployed very little fibre to be precise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>d.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>It’s all been so successful they’re just about to embark on upgrading these rings to 2Gbs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The endless running down of microwave also needs to stop; consider the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Microwave has been good to Australia actually … the CSIRO has collected tens of millions of dollars in punitive patent royalties via its wifi patents over the last few years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>So …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Australia’s own CSIRO is working on a not dissimilar multi-Gb platform.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>d.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>NICTA (the Australian scientific body) is working on it’s own version of Gb WiFi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>“10Gb over a metre” is irrelevant … what IS relevant is that </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Solid State Physics and the Karlsruhe Institute for Technology have demonstrated a wireless transmission of 40Gb/s at 240GHz over a distance of 1km.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The point is this …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Fibre & Microwave are excellent bed fellows. The competitive comparisons need to stop. The endless debate that forces them to compete is foolish & should not be continued. It was shamefully politically engendered by Stephen Conroy & is just wrong. They should not be compared, instead thought about in terms of providing protected paths via path & media diversity. That’s fundamentally a big subject for those organisations thinking about moving to the ‘cloud’.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>They also fill different roles as well all know so let’s end the comparisons between them today please.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>It’s also demonstrates the absurdity of Politicians taking sides when it comes to technology choices.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>They need to be setting the framework legislation but not participating as a player.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Robert Hudson [mailto:hudrob@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 12, 2013 3:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wallace<br><b>Cc:</b> Mitch Kelly; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net; Narelle<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Mike Quigley has resigned<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 12 July 2013 15:40, Paul Wallace <<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Actually .. some Germans demonstrated 40Gbps over 'the air' over around 1km last month!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>For how many endpoints, under what conditions?<br><br>Someone demonstrated speeds over 1Gbps over wireless in the Arizone desert too. Between two endpoints, with no other interference.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And 10Gbps plus was achieved over distances of around a meter if memory serves.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That doesn't make any of these things useful or relevant in any sort of discussion regarding broadband in Australia. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>