<div dir="ltr">It makes it ok in the sense that you suggested the government had some significant control over Telstra by saying they have 49% ownership... which isn't that high, and isn't directly the government either.... which makes your initial rant invalid.<div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Paul Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So that makes it OK does it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I still recall the genius’’ in Canberra railing against Telstra & ‘Opts-At Home’ (presided over by Chris Chapman at the time, now Chairman of the ACMA) building out two HFC networks!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Long term sustained attacks were leveled at the concurrent rollout of these two largely ‘privately held’ networks … “it’s a waste” they protested “they should be made to work together” they hollered.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">15 years later they go it themselves & it vastly more expensive way.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Telstra is currently getting the fibre out there so quickly that we’ll end up half pregnant (yet again)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The famous “made it up on the back of an envelope on a 40 minute flight to Melbourne’ resonates long & loud.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Why is Government getting BACK INTO business whilst the entire rest of the OECD is getting OUT of it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 12, 2013 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wallace<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Mike Quigley has resigned<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Government (via the Future Fund) only owns 10.9% of Telstra - according to Wikipedia.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><h3 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.05in;margin-left:0in;overflow:hidden"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Privatisation</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></h3>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.4pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Telstra was privatised in three different stages, informally known as "T1" ($3.30), "T2" ($7.40) and "T3" ($3.60) in 1997, 1999 and 2006 respectively.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#cite_note-autogenerated1-5" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">[5]</span></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#cite_note-6" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">[6]</span></a></sup> In <b>T1</b>, the government sold one third of its shares in Telstra for A$14 billion and publicly listed the company on the Australian Stock Exchange.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#cite_note-autogenerated1-5" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">[5]</span></a></sup> In 1999, a further 16% of Telstra shares were sold to the public, leaving the Australian government with 51% ownership. In 2006, <b>T3</b> was announced by the government and was the largest of the three public releases, reducing the Government's ownership of Telstra to 17%.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#cite_note-7" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">[7]</span></a></sup> The 17% remainder of Telstra was placed in Australia's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Fund" title="Future Fund" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Future Fund</span></a>, which will provide <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation" title="Superannuation" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">superannuation</span></a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension" title="Pension" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">pensions</span></a> for Australia's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_servants" title="Public servants" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">public servants</span></a>.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#cite_note-8" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">[8]</span></a></sup> In 2009, the Future Fund sold off another $2.4B worth of shares reducing the government's stake in Telstra to 10.9%.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#cite_note-9" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">[9]</span></a></sup><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Paul Wallace <<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Can someone explain to me why we’re supporting the concurrent role-out of TWO fibre networks by Government owned Carriers?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That would be Telstra + NBNco obviously</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Don’t forget for a moment that Telstra continues to be half owned by the Government & The ALP is fundamentally opposed, root & branch, to selling the remaining 49% off.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s a disgrace on a massive scale.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 12, 2013 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Mike Quigley has resigned</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">That's a shame. I was always impressed with his understanding of the NBN's big picture. Pity he never got a lot of cut through in the main stream media. I guess that's what happens when you render there broadcast linences and pay TV networks redundant overnight. <br>
<br><br>Matt.<br><br>On 12/07/13 10:50 AM, Peter Childs wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
Even the NBN web site — so I might believe it<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/media/news/nbn-co-chief-executive-announces-retirement.html" target="_blank">http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/media/news/nbn-co-chief-executive-announces-retirement.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Narelle <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 12 July 2013 10:10 AM<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[AusNOG] Mike Quigley has resigned</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It's all over the news.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">See full statement:<br><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/153280963/NBN-Co-CEO-announces-retirement" target="_blank">definitefraudstart "www.scribd.com"definitefraudend definitefraudstart "www.scribd.com"definitefraudend definitefraudstart "www.scribd.com"definitefraudend definitefraudstart "www.scribd.com"definitefraudend http://www.scribd.com/doc/153280963/NBN-Co-CEO-announces-retirement</a><br>
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