<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://1403/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm not aware of any, but you do have companies like Vocus. Who do accept blackhole bgp communities and have Arbor kit within their own network that will pickup on attacks.<div><br></div><div>I've personally seen it detect and suppress attacks on my previous employer's transit connection with Vocus in the 5-10 minute range from the start of the attack.</div><div><br></div><div>The most effect way of avoiding DDoS attacks in Australia is to not have Game Servers, IRC servers or gambling operations hosted on your network.</div><div><br></div><div>Craig.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 08/07/2013, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Thorpe <<a href="mailto:jthorpe@Conexim.com.au">jthorpe@Conexim.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Probably a good time to ask – who supports FlowSpec advertisements?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Craig Askings<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, 8 July 2013 3:33 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Zone Networks - Joel Nath<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Agreed, if you want to manage DDoS attacks you really want:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">1) Juniper MX out front with BGP flowspec enabled on it. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">2) Some tool to identify said DDoS and generate the flowspec rule to match it. (Arbor?)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">3) Upstream providers who can automatically sink said traffic at their borders.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 08/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, "Zone Networks - Joel Nath" <<a href="mailto:joel@zonenetworks.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">joel@zonenetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Firewall wont help protect you against DDOS, especially anything that is software based<br><br>Srx 3400 + might help abit as its ASIC but a decent SYN flood will take it out as well.<br><br>Regards<br>Joel<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 3:19 PM<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br><br>Hi<br><br>Thanks to everyone that has given me feedback, definitely seems like juniper is the router of choice.<br>This is still early days for me... more of a fact finding mission<br><br>One of the design choices I am looking at.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>It seems like there are units capable of looking after (in 1 HA setup) both Internet FW and internet FW.<br><br>Currently I am using some cisco 2600's for my ext routers ... ie WAN ... BGP and basic ACL's<br><br>The original idea was to replicate this, so outside routers, Internet FW and internal FW with similar setup<br><br>The main reason for that is that a DDOS or any attack via BGP can only attack our outside routers. Thus reducing our foot print our external FW is exposed to the outside world.<br><br>More background, we provide our product via the internet and via private connections (leased lines of sorts, premium service ).<br><br>What we are trying to avoid with separate devices is internet issues affecting premium services. And to some extend our internal traffic.<br><br>So I have thrown my eye over at the srx 550 and find it (and it seems other models / manufactures) provide virtual routers/domains Is this enough to protect a FW device.<br><br>So if I replace my external routers and internet FW and internet FW, with a SRX550 am I leaving myself open to the cpu of the device being taken up with BGP process or DDOS from the internet ... etc etc.<br><br><br>Thanks<br>Alex<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Andrew Jones<br>Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 2:47 PM<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br><br>I have quite a few SRX clusters running, and find them very reliable<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>in general. Most of the issues which were there earlier have been sorted out.<br>"Commit rollback", which used not to be available in earlier versions<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>of junos when clustering was enabled now works as well, which is a big<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>plus in my book.<br><br><br><br>On 08.07.2013 14:30, Ryan Finnesey wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Lol never worked with clustering.<br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"<br><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">+1.<br><br>Juniper clustering was developed, coded, and not tested by Satan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>himself.<br><br>...Skeeve<br><br>SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br><br><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[3]<br><br>Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="skype://skeeve" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">skype://skeeve</a><br><br><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[4] ; [5]<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[6]<br><br><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">twitter.com/networkceoau</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[5] ; blog:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.network-ceo.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">www.network-ceo.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[7]<br><br>The Experts Who The Experts Call<br>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud<br><br>On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, James Braunegg<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><<a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">james.braunegg@micron21.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I like the Juniper SRX 3400 / SRX 5600 firewalls the nice things<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>about these is you can run per device redundant routing engines,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>both of these support hardware line rate 10gbit ports and are full<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>ASIC based.<br><br>If you don't actually need 10gbit throughput you could look at the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>SRX 650 which can support 10gbit ports but all processing is done<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>in software not in ASIC<br><br>Juniper had some issues with clustering the SRX in the early days<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>but these seem to be all but gone now...<br><br>That being said I still avoid clustering where possible and much<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>prefer two single devices not linked in anyway other than standard<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>routing protocols.<br><br>Juniper also has a fantastic CLI … one of the best I've ever used.<br><br>Do you have a budget in mind ?<br><br>Kindest Regards<br><br>James Braunegg<br>P: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616<br><br>E:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">james.braunegg@micron21.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| ABN: 12 109 977 666<br>W:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.micron21.com/ip-transit" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">www.micron21.com/ip-transit</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[1] T: @micron21<br><br><image001.jpg><br>This message is intended for the addressee named above. 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