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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No one in Aus to my knowledge… happy to be corrected </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Thorpe<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 July 2013 3:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Probably a good time to ask – who supports FlowSpec advertisements?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Askings<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 July 2013 3:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Zone Networks - Joel Nath<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Agreed, if you want to manage DDoS attacks you really want:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1) Juniper MX out front with BGP flowspec enabled on it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2) Some tool to identify said DDoS and generate the flowspec rule to match it. (Arbor?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3) Upstream providers who can automatically sink said traffic at their borders.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec">http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 08/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, "Zone Networks - Joel Nath" <<a href="mailto:joel@zonenetworks.com.au">joel@zonenetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Firewall wont help protect you against DDOS, especially anything that is software based<br><br>Srx 3400 + might help abit as its ASIC but a decent SYN flood will take it out as well.<br><br>Regards<br>Joel<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 3:19 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br><br>Hi<br><br>Thanks to everyone that has given me feedback, definitely seems like juniper is the router of choice.<br>This is still early days for me... more of a fact finding mission<br><br>One of the design choices I am looking at. <br><br>It seems like there are units capable of looking after (in 1 HA setup) both Internet FW and internet FW.<br><br>Currently I am using some cisco 2600's for my ext routers ... ie WAN ... BGP and basic ACL's<br><br>The original idea was to replicate this, so outside routers, Internet FW and internal FW with similar setup<br><br>The main reason for that is that a DDOS or any attack via BGP can only attack our outside routers. Thus reducing our foot print our external FW is exposed to the outside world.<br><br>More background, we provide our product via the internet and via private connections (leased lines of sorts, premium service ).<br><br>What we are trying to avoid with separate devices is internet issues affecting premium services. And to some extend our internal traffic.<br><br>So I have thrown my eye over at the srx 550 and find it (and it seems other models / manufactures) provide virtual routers/domains Is this enough to protect a FW device.<br><br>So if I replace my external routers and internet FW and internet FW, with a SRX550 am I leaving myself open to the cpu of the device being taken up with BGP process or DDOS from the internet ... etc etc.<br><br><br>Thanks<br>Alex<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of <br>Andrew Jones<br>Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 2:47 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br><br>I have quite a few SRX clusters running, and find them very reliable <br>in general. Most of the issues which were there earlier have been sorted out.<br>"Commit rollback", which used not to be available in earlier versions <br>of junos when clustering was enabled now works as well, which is a big <br>plus in my book.<br><br><br><br>On 08.07.2013 14:30, Ryan Finnesey wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Lol never worked with clustering.<br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"<br><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>+1.<br><br>Juniper clustering was developed, coded, and not tested by Satan <br>himself.<br><br>...Skeeve<br><br>SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br><br><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a> [3]<br><br>Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a><br><br><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> [4] ; [5]<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> [6]<br><br><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> [5] ; blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net">www.network-ceo.net</a> [7]<br><br>The Experts Who The Experts Call<br>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud<br><br>On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, James Braunegg <br><<a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com">james.braunegg@micron21.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I like the Juniper SRX 3400 / SRX 5600 firewalls the nice things <br>about these is you can run per device redundant routing engines, <br>both of these support hardware line rate 10gbit ports and are full <br>ASIC based.<br><br>If you don't actually need 10gbit throughput you could look at the <br>SRX 650 which can support 10gbit ports but all processing is done <br>in software not in ASIC<br><br>Juniper had some issues with clustering the SRX in the early days <br>but these seem to be all but gone now...<br><br>That being said I still avoid clustering where possible and much <br>prefer two single devices not linked in anyway other than standard <br>routing protocols.<br><br>Juniper also has a fantastic CLI … one of the best I've ever used.<br><br>Do you have a budget in mind ?<br><br>Kindest Regards<br><br>James Braunegg<br>P: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616<br><br>E: <a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com">james.braunegg@micron21.com</a> | ABN: 12 109 977 666<br>W: <a href="http://www.micron21.com/ip-transit">www.micron21.com/ip-transit</a> [1] T: @micron21<br><br><image001.jpg><br>This message is intended for the addressee named above. 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If <br>you have received this message in error please return the message <br>to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from <br>your computer.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of <br>Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:01 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br><br>Hi<br><br>Was wondering what the groups thoughts where on sonicwall and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>maybe<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>in relation to juniper.<br><br>Most of my experience has been with Cisco and linux (firewalls)<br><br>In particular I am looking at<br><br>Exterior FW (facing internet)<br><br>Or<br><br>Interior FW (not facing Internet)<br><br>Like to have a cluster (HA setup)<br><br>Like to have min 2 x 10G fibre ports per dev and some 1G ports<br><br>Don't need any sort of deep packet inspection<br><br>I prefer CLI, my initial googling seems to suggest sonic is not <br>very cli friendly at all<br><br>Again my initial investigation leads me to NSA 5600 (or NSA 6600), <br>not sure what the comparably Juniper might be.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Alex<br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>AusNOG mailing list<br><br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a> [2] <br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a> [2]<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a> [2]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Links:<br>------<br>[1] <a href="http://www.micron21.com/ip-transit">http://www.micron21.com/ip-transit</a><br>[2] <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>[3] <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/">http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/</a><br>[4] <a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks">http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a><br>[5] <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau">http://twitter.com/networkceoau</a><br>[6] <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve">http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a><br>[7] <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/">http://www.network-ceo.net/</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>