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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I remember when everyone though it scary that Apple was apparently collecting private data …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> .. after all they might get up to profound evility such as trying to sell you something via push marketing!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But it turns out the truly evil party is the ‘Gubber …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/19/fbi-terror-emergencies-phone-calls">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/19/fbi-terror-emergencies-phone-calls</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When I was a kid the Labour Party was populated by activists who used to rail against the Conservatist Government’s various attempts to censor Australian Society. Today it seems all those party have been driven from the ALP. … and now we’re seeing a new breed (such as Minster Conroy) (not to mention the similar phenomenon occurring in the USA) appearing who defend the degradation of the doctrine of the ‘separation or powers’ (which is what occurred when Mr Conroy defended the ASIC’s continuing desire to force ISPs to disable websites in the absence of being required to gain a Court Order) . Ask any lawyer (I did) & they’ll say that the Court should always be the final Arbiter of whether or not private data should be available to an Authority, not the Authority itself<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Newton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 24, 2013 1:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Narelle<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Joint Committee on Intelligence & Security Report out<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hot potato, yeah yeah yeah.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - mark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 24, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Narelle <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com">narellec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Narelle Clark, President ISOC-AU</b> <<a href="mailto:president@isoc-au.org.au">president@isoc-au.org.au</a>><br>Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM<br>Subject: Joint Committee on Intelligence & Security Report out<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>See:<br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=pjcis/nsl2012/report.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=pjcis/nsl2012/report.htm</a> <br><br><br></span>GEN: Parliamentary committee dodges data retention decision <o:p></o:p></p><p>JAMES HUTCHINSON<o:p></o:p></p><p>A long-awaited decision on whether the federal government should implement a mandatory data retention regime has been sidelined by a parliamentary committee tasked to look at the contentious matter.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>The joint intelligence and security committee, which was tasked by former Attorney-general Nicola Roxon in May last year to consider security reform, said that whether a regime should be put in place was “ultimately a decision for government”.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>The regime was one of 44 proposals put forward by the Attorney-General’s Department and security agencies last year as the committee looked at whether to reform national security legislation.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>If put in place, it would force telecommunications companies like Telstra to hold metadata like phone call records and IP addresses on Australians for up to two years.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>Federal, state and local government agencies accessed metadata more than 300,000 times during the last financial year, but agencies have argued that this type of information is increasingly unavailable.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>The proposal attracted the ire of civil liberties groups and the Greens, which argued that the warrantless system infringed on the privacy of Australian citizens.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>Though the committee did not make a decision on the matter, it urged the government to publish draft legislation on the proposal that would ensure that security agencies are unable to access the actual content of communications without a warrant.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>It also said any legislation should ban agency access to internet browsing data like website addresses, and that the government should reimburse telecommunications companies for the cost of establishing such a system; a key sticking point for companies like iiNet.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p>More to come<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>from:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="http://www.afr.com/p/technology/parliamentary_committee_dodges_data_FuIjuqFrH5NvYp7Rv77xpK" target="_blank">http://www.afr.com/p/technology/parliamentary_committee_dodges_data_FuIjuqFrH5NvYp7Rv77xpK</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hoenzb><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#888888'><br clear=all><br>-- <br><br><br>Narelle Clark<br>President<br>Internet Society of Australia<br>ph: 0412 297 043<br>int ph: <a href="tel:%2B61%20412%20297%20043" target="_blank">+61 412 297 043</a><br><a href="mailto:president@isoc-au.org.au" target="_blank">president@isoc-au.org.au</a><br><a href="http://www.isoc-au.org.au/" target="_blank">www.isoc-au.org.au</a><br>The Internet is for Everyone!<br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br><br><br>Narelle<br><a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>