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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmc@1mmc.com" target="_blank">mmc@1mmc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir="auto"><div>They do.  </div><div><br>On 04/05/2013, at 6:44, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">This is an interesting question.  Why doesn't Google peer on Equinix IX in Sydney?<div><br></div><div>Google?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">

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<div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div>

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Brad Evans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad@delion.com.au" target="_blank">brad@delion.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





  
    
  
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    2 weeks ago we found TPG stopped sending traffic back to our AS via
    Equinix Exchange and they preferred to send traffic through our PIPE
    IP Transit connection. Fair enough, they want us to pay PIPE Transit
    for traffic from TPG rather than give it to us for free.<br>
    <br>
    So we withdrew our prefixes from Pipe Transit to do further testing
    - TPG preferred to go through Optus->Vocus to reach us (we also
    use Vocus for Transit) rather than direct across Equinix Exchange. 
    So it seems they have no interest in sending traffic back to us over
    Equinix Exchange any more.  Not a very open policy for peering if
    they are selectively refusing to route traffic to Equinix Exchange
    participants.<br>
    <br>
    One final gripe (unrelated to PIPE/TPG) - Google doesn't openly peer
    on Equinix Exchange, but they do on PIPE IX.  <br>
    <br>
    -Brad<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 3/05/2013 5:46 PM, Joshua D'Alton
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite">Less of a problem than all international traffic
      returning via PPC1, adding a good 60ms to eastbound. And
      unfortunately the routing policies don't seem to differ between
      residential and commercial (dsl and fiber), though I don't know of
      any AU provider that does (maybe AAPT before they sold
      residential?). What exetel do with traffic is interesting too, it
      might indeed be as Skeeve suggests, the death of pipe peering...<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Brett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bwtricky89@gmail.com" target="_blank">bwtricky89@gmail.com</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">You could always do what TPG are current doing
            and having all PIPE traffic return via Sydney regardless of
            state it originates from. It's quite lovely with what they
            come up with..
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                1 <a href="http://vl102.cor2.mel6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">vl102.cor2.mel6.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.212.246) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec</div>
              <div>2 <a href="http://gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.210.138) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
              <div>3 <a href="http://te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.160.173) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
              <div>4 <a href="http://xe-0-0-0.cr1.cbr2.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">xe-0-0-0.cr1.cbr2.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.33.84) 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec</div>
              <div>5 <a href="http://ae2.br1.syd4.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">ae2.br1.syd4.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.33.22) 36 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
              <div>6 <a href="http://p7545.syd.equinix.com/" target="_blank">p7545.syd.equinix.com</a>
                (202.167.228.79) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
              <div>7 <a href="http://nme-nxg-wal-crt2-ge-6-0-0.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">nme-nxg-wal-crt2-ge-6-0-0.tpgi.com.au</a>
                (202.7.162.53) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
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              <div>1 <a href="http://gi1-20-102.cor1.adl6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">gi1-20-102.cor1.adl6.on.ii.net</a>
                (203.16.215.14) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec</div>
              <div>2 <a href="http://xe-11-0-0.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">xe-11-0-0.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.225.229) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec</div>
              <div>3 <a href="http://ae4.br1.syd7.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">ae4.br1.syd7.on.ii.net</a>
                (150.101.33.34) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec</div>
              <div>4 <a href="http://as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com/" target="_blank">as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com</a>
                (218.100.2.40) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec</div>
              <div>5 <a href="http://nme-sot-dry-crt2-gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">nme-sot-dry-crt2-Gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au</a>
                (203.12.162.238) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On 3 May 2013 14:03, Luke
                  Iggleden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:luke+ausnog@sisgroup.com.au" target="_blank">luke+ausnog@sisgroup.com.au</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey
                    Skeeve + List,<br>
                    <br>
                    I'm interested in routing policy for each connected
                    peer. Did anyone provide insight into how they are
                    electing egress paths?<br>
                    <br>
                    We local pref equinix due to least cost, however, we
                    seem to have a lot more ingress flows via pipe
                    peering.<br>
                    <br>
                    Are operators local preffing pipe peering over
                    equinix or vice versa or are you just letting
                    as-path length decide?<br>
                    <br>
                    If you're letting AS-PATH decide what is your tie
                    breaker condition (if you have one?)
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                      On 29/04/13 9:50 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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                        Hey guys,<br>
                        <br>
                        More pricing has been added/updated... thanks
                        for the info all.<br>
                        <br>
                        For those who were getting a 404.. Welcome to
                        the world of IPv6...<br>
                        whoops.. I was using the wrong IP damnit.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        ...Skeeve<br>
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                        On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Skeeve Stevens<br>
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                        wrote:<br>
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                            Hey all,<br>
                        <br>
                            OK.. after a pile of responses about peering
                        prices, and almost as<br>
                            many asking for me to share the info I
                        collected...  I've put it in<br>
                            a blog post for all to access.<br>
                        <br>
                            If you have any information about peering
                        pricing that you wish to<br>
                            share with me privately, but don't mind me
                        adding to the post...<br>
                            then let me know and I will update it.<br>
                        <br>
                            <a href="http://theispguy.com/peeringpricing/" target="_blank">http://theispguy.com/peeringpricing/</a><br>
                        <br>
                            Later, I might turn this into a resource
                        that I keep updated.  At<br>
                            the moment working on a project to document
                        all Australian<br>
                            datacentres/tail providers... but be
                        patient.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                            ...Skeeve<br>
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                            On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Skeeve
                        Stevens<br>
                            <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a><br>
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                        wrote:<br>
                        <br>
                                Hey all,<br>
                        <br>
                                If possible, I am wanting to find out
                        how much Pipe and Equinix<br>
                                peering costs at the moment for 100mb
                        and 1Gb links.<br>
                        <br>
                                I know there was some price drops a
                        while ago, but not sure what<br>
                                the current buy price is.<br>
                        <br>
                                I could wait till Monday and ask them,
                        but I have to write some<br>
                                recommendations up over the weekend.<br>
                        <br>
                                Please feel free to reply to me
                        off-list.<br>
                        <br>
                                ...Skeeve<br>
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