<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dodo appear to use Telstra and Optus for transit, so they're not going to be different to those.<div><br></div><div>Reality is that there are only a few direct paths to the US - some use only direct (eg. Optus on SCCN, Telstra on SCCN/Endeavour) some use a mix (TPG, iiNET with SCCN and PPC1).</div><div><br></div><div>So, the differences without any congestion are slight in the scheme of things. </div><div><br></div><div>MMC<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 04/05/2013, at 10:23 PM, "Joshua D'Alton" <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Up to you, ping to US west coast is what I used. Actual throughput might be a 2ndary factor, but I think aside from RIMs and tiny exchanges theres not really congestion any more that wouldn't let you max your link with enough threads, but speed to youtube could be the 2ndary metric.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmc@1mmc.com" target="_blank">mmc@1mmc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>How do define "best"?</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On 04/05/2013, at 7:37, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I don't know, TPG's v4 is pretty messed up.<div><br></div><div>As a side note, has anyone recently compared commercial and/or residential providers in AU with the aim of measuring the quality (ie routing) vs cost and availability? Might be a little out side the scope of what Skeeve is after, but not too far removed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Looking briefly at it I think ironically Dodo has the best routing of any residential ISP, and on par with the gang of 4/5/6, while TPG seems the worst of the gang of 4/5/6 even with being 2nd or 3rd on international capacity ownership (i say 2nd perhaps because Optus is not a sole AU provider, so it has an advantage).</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Alex Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nikosai@gmail.com" target="_blank">nikosai@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>You should try looking at the v6 routing around the place. Especially any v6 routes that involve TPG. It's a unique experience that makes the v4 routing all look perfectly sensible. :)</div>
<span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Alex</div></font></span><div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 04/05/2013, at 11:45 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I love how iPrimus peers with AARNet direct, but to get to <a href="http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/" target="_blank">mirror.aarnet.edu.au</a> it goes to Pipe Brisbane, then to AARNet, and I think then back to Sydney.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Brett Wagstaff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bwtricky89@gmail.com" target="_blank">bwtricky89@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Should have a look at traceroutes from primus, they're more assuming. Leaves primus via pipe in sydney and then enters into their equinix link
then onto TPG. Either someone has broken something, or stupid peering
policy kicking in..<br><div><br></div><div><div>4 <a href="http://xe-0-0-1.csr03.mel.iprimus.net.au/" target="_blank">xe-0-0-1.csr03.mel.iprimus.net.au</a> (203.134.24.241) [MPLS: Label 665632 Exp 0] 12 msec</div><div>5 <a href="http://as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com/" target="_blank">as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com</a> (218.100.2.40) [AS 18398] 28 msec</div>
<div>6 <a href="http://irb-5.bsr01.equ.iprimus.net.au/" target="_blank">irb-5.bsr01.equ.iprimus.net.au</a> (210.50.143.163) 24 msec</div><div>7 <a href="http://nme-sot-dry-crt2-gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">nme-sot-dry-crt2-Gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au</a> (203.12.162.238) [AS 7545] 24 msec</div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 May 2013 17:46, Joshua D'Alton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Less of a problem than all international traffic returning via PPC1, adding a good 60ms to eastbound. And unfortunately the routing policies don't seem to differ between residential and commercial (dsl and fiber), though I don't know of any AU provider that does (maybe AAPT before they sold residential?). What exetel do with traffic is interesting too, it might indeed be as Skeeve suggests, the death of pipe peering...<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Brett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bwtricky89@gmail.com" target="_blank">bwtricky89@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">You could always do what TPG are current doing and having all PIPE traffic return via Sydney regardless of state it originates from. It's quite lovely with what they come up with..<div><br></div><div><div>
1 <a href="http://vl102.cor2.mel6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">vl102.cor2.mel6.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.212.246) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec</div><div>2 <a href="http://gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.210.138) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
<div>3 <a href="http://te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.160.173) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div><div>4 <a href="http://xe-0-0-0.cr1.cbr2.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">xe-0-0-0.cr1.cbr2.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.33.84) 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec</div>
<div>5 <a href="http://ae2.br1.syd4.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">ae2.br1.syd4.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.33.22) 36 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div><div>6 <a href="http://p7545.syd.equinix.com/" target="_blank">p7545.syd.equinix.com</a> (202.167.228.79) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div>
<div>7 <a href="http://nme-nxg-wal-crt2-ge-6-0-0.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">nme-nxg-wal-crt2-ge-6-0-0.tpgi.com.au</a> (202.7.162.53) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>1 <a href="http://gi1-20-102.cor1.adl6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">gi1-20-102.cor1.adl6.on.ii.net</a> (203.16.215.14) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec</div>
<div>2 <a href="http://xe-11-0-0.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">xe-11-0-0.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.225.229) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec</div><div>3 <a href="http://ae4.br1.syd7.on.ii.net/" target="_blank">ae4.br1.syd7.on.ii.net</a> (150.101.33.34) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec</div>
<div>4 <a href="http://as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com/" target="_blank">as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com</a> (218.100.2.40) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec</div><div>5 <a href="http://nme-sot-dry-crt2-gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">nme-sot-dry-crt2-Gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au</a> (203.12.162.238) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec</div>
</div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 May 2013 14:03, Luke Iggleden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:luke+ausnog@sisgroup.com.au" target="_blank">luke+ausnog@sisgroup.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey Skeeve + List,<br>
<br>
I'm interested in routing policy for each connected peer. Did anyone provide insight into how they are electing egress paths?<br>
<br>
We local pref equinix due to least cost, however, we seem to have a lot more ingress flows via pipe peering.<br>
<br>
Are operators local preffing pipe peering over equinix or vice versa or are you just letting as-path length decide?<br>
<br>
If you're letting AS-PATH decide what is your tie breaker condition (if you have one?)<div><br>
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Hey guys,<br>
<br>
More pricing has been added/updated... thanks for the info all.<br>
<br>
For those who were getting a 404.. Welcome to the world of IPv6...<br>
whoops.. I was using the wrong IP damnit.<br>
<br>
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Hey all,<br>
<br>
OK.. after a pile of responses about peering prices, and almost as<br>
many asking for me to share the info I collected... I've put it in<br>
a blog post for all to access.<br>
<br>
If you have any information about peering pricing that you wish to<br>
share with me privately, but don't mind me adding to the post...<br>
then let me know and I will update it.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://theispguy.com/peeringpricing/" target="_blank">http://theispguy.com/<u></u>peeringpricing/</a><br>
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Later, I might turn this into a resource that I keep updated. At<br>
the moment working on a project to document all Australian<br>
datacentres/tail providers... but be patient.<br>
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Hey all,<br>
<br>
If possible, I am wanting to find out how much Pipe and Equinix<br>
peering costs at the moment for 100mb and 1Gb links.<br>
<br>
I know there was some price drops a while ago, but not sure what<br>
the current buy price is.<br>
<br>
I could wait till Monday and ask them, but I have to write some<br>
recommendations up over the weekend.<br>
<br>
Please feel free to reply to me off-list.<br>
<br>
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