<div dir="ltr">I'd gladly accept lurker status - I'm not famous or well connected enough to be "legit" but working for a large government department with many connections, we've learnt some important things from the *technical* discussion in the past.<div>
<br></div><div style>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 April 2013 17:39, Joshua D'Alton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">A closed mailing list is almost an oxymoron. The irony of this topic being it is in itself "<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">4. �Too much non-technical traffic is still being generated"...</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Don Gould <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:don@bowenvale.co.nz" target="_blank">don@bowenvale.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Will your new list be publicly visible with only authorised posters
or simply completely closed?<br>
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D<div><div><br>
<div>On 26/04/2013 12:31 p.m., Bevan
Slattery wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi everyone,</div>
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<div>As part of the previous discussion, I prepared the new list
called Noglist.com. �I was asked by Ausnog to hold off until
they had a chance to propose a solution to the existing issues.
�Ausnog will be more proactively moderating the Ausnog list. �A
great step forward and good news.</div>
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<div>However, feedback from many people off-list is that
regardless of increased moderation, they feel they are no longer
prepared to contribute to many of the discussions due to the
open nature of the list. �Concerns include:</div>
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</div>
<div>1. �Any communication is available to any person or
organisation that subscribes including journalists and
non-network people</div>
<div>2. �Any communication is archived publicly and widely
available to the public</div>
<div>3. �While initial discussions are generally on-topic, they
typically detoriate over a short period of time</div>
<div>4. �Too much non-technical traffic is still being generated</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It has been agreed that a new closed list will be created.
�Requirements are listed on the site and include:</div>
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<ol>
<li>�network operator/administrator or engineer on a public
network with an ASN.</li>
<li> technical expert for network hardware or software systems</li>
<li> Owner/operator of underlying critical network
infrastructure (data centres, underground infrastructure eg.
pit/pipe, submarine or inter-capital, energy and utility
providers)</li>
<li> Persons who are widely recognised as having considerable
and valuable input to the community</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div>It is the intention that the list will build over a
reasonably short period of time to include all major network and
infrastructure administrators and owners.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now to be very clear � it is not intended to replace Ausnog
and will NOT replace Ausnog. �Ausnog is a very valuable resource
to the community. �However what has become apparent is that
there is a substantial amount of information that is not
discussed or disclosed to the Ausnog list for fear of possible
sensitive information being republished.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Currently running a test environment here:�<a href="https://noglist.com/test.php" target="_blank">https://noglist.com/test.php</a>��</div>
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<div>This is for information only and not intended for discussion.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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