+1 on lurker status, I do learn a fair bit from my morning nog...<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Jason Reid<span></span><br><br>On Friday, 26 April 2013, Joshua D'Alton wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">2. Any communication is archived publicly and widely available to the public" so I'd say probably no?</span><div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The irony of that as well being that some member will pipe everything to <a href="http://noglistarchive.com" target="_blank">noglistarchive.com</a> so it would be publicly available regardless. And it wouldn't be protected under the disclosure stuff because it is a mailing list.. lol.</span></div>
</div><div><br><br><div>On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Martin Barry <span dir="ltr"><<a>marty@supine.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Consider also letting people subscribe but not post if they don't meet the criteria. This allows those who get value from the discussions to listen in even if they won't have anything to contribute.<div>
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<div><div><div><br><br><div>On 26 April 2013 09:33, Don Gould <span dir="ltr"><<a>don@bowenvale.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Will your new list be publicly visible with only authorised posters
or simply completely closed?<br>
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<div>On 26/04/2013 12:31 p.m., Bevan
Slattery wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi everyone,</div>
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<div>As part of the previous discussion, I prepared the new list
called Noglist.com. I was asked by Ausnog to hold off until
they had a chance to propose a solution to the existing issues.
Ausnog will be more proactively moderating the Ausnog list. A
great step forward and good news.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, feedback from many people off-list is that
regardless of increased moderation, they feel they are no longer
prepared to contribute to many of the discussions due to the
open nature of the list. Concerns include:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. Any communication is available to any person or
organisation that subscribes including journalists and
non-network people</div>
<div>2. Any communication is archived publicly and widely
available to the public</div>
<div>3. While initial discussions are generally on-topic, they
typically detoriate over a short period of time</div>
<div>4. Too much non-technical traffic is still being generated</div>
<div><br>
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<div>It has been agreed that a new closed list will be created.
Requirements are listed on the site and include:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<ol>
<li> network operator/administrator or engineer on a public
network with an ASN.</li>
<li> technical expert for network hardware or software systems</li>
<li> Owner/operator of underlying critical network
infrastructure (data centres, underground infrastructure eg.
pit/pipe, submarine or inter-capital, energy and utility
providers)</li>
<li> Persons who are widely recognised as having considerable
and valuable input to the community</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div>It is the intention that the list will build over a
reasonably short period of time to include all major network and
infrastructure administrators and owners.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now to be very clear – it is not intended to replace Ausnog
and will NOT replace Ausnog. Ausnog is a very valuable resource
to the community. However what has become apparent is that
there is a substantial amount of information that is not
discussed or disclosed to the Ausnog list for fear of possible
sensitive information being republished.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Currently running a test environment here: <a href="https://noglist.com/test.php" target="_blank">https://noglist.com/test.php</a> </div>
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<div>This is for information only and not intended for discussion.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br>
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