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    That would defeat the purpose of the first point of issue with
    Ausnog. <br>
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    1.  Any communication is available to any person or organisation
    that subscribes including journalists and non-network people<br>
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    -Brad<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/04/2013 5:39 PM, Martin Barry
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      <div dir="ltr">Consider also letting people subscribe but not post
        if they don't meet the criteria. This allows those who get value
        from the discussions to listen in even if they won't have
        anything to contribute.<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On 26 April 2013 09:33, Don Gould
                <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Will your new
                    list be publicly visible with only authorised
                    posters or simply completely closed?<br>
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                        <div>On 26/04/2013 12:31 p.m., Bevan Slattery
                          wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Hi everyone,</div>
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                          <div>As part of the previous discussion, I
                            prepared the new list called Noglist.com.  I
                            was asked by Ausnog to hold off until they
                            had a chance to propose a solution to the
                            existing issues.  Ausnog will be more
                            proactively moderating the Ausnog list.  A
                            great step forward and good news.</div>
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                          <div>However, feedback from many people
                            off-list is that regardless of increased
                            moderation, they feel they are no longer
                            prepared to contribute to many of the
                            discussions due to the open nature of the
                            list.  Concerns include:</div>
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                          <div>1.  Any communication is available to any
                            person or organisation that subscribes
                            including journalists and non-network people</div>
                          <div>2.  Any communication is archived
                            publicly and widely available to the public</div>
                          <div>3.  While initial discussions are
                            generally on-topic, they typically detoriate
                            over a short period of time</div>
                          <div>4.  Too much non-technical traffic is
                            still being generated</div>
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                          <div>It has been agreed that a new closed list
                            will be created.  Requirements are listed on
                            the site and include:</div>
                          <div><br>
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                              <li> network operator/administrator or
                                engineer on a public network with an
                                ASN.</li>
                              <li> technical expert for network hardware
                                or software systems</li>
                              <li> Owner/operator of underlying critical
                                network infrastructure (data centres,
                                underground infrastructure eg. pit/pipe,
                                submarine or inter-capital, energy and
                                utility providers)</li>
                              <li> Persons who are widely recognised as
                                having considerable and valuable input
                                to the community</li>
                            </ol>
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                          <div>It is the intention that the list will
                            build over a reasonably short period of time
                            to include all major network and
                            infrastructure administrators and owners.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Now to be very clear – it is not intended
                            to replace Ausnog and will NOT replace
                            Ausnog.  Ausnog is a very valuable resource
                            to the community.  However what has become
                            apparent is that there is a substantial
                            amount of information that is not discussed
                            or disclosed to the Ausnog list for fear of
                            possible sensitive information being
                            republished.</div>
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                          <div>Currently running a test environment
                            here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://noglist.com/test.php"
                              target="_blank">https://noglist.com/test.php</a>  </div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div>This is for information only and not
                            intended for discussion.</div>
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                          <div>Cheers</div>
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