<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>As part of the previous discussion, I prepared the new list called Noglist.com. I was asked by Ausnog to hold off until they had a chance to propose a solution to the existing issues. Ausnog will be more proactively moderating the Ausnog list. A great step forward and good news.</div><div><br></div><div>However, feedback from many people off-list is that regardless of increased moderation, they feel they are no longer prepared to contribute to many of the discussions due to the open nature of the list. Concerns include:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Any communication is available to any person or organisation that subscribes including journalists and non-network people</div><div>2. Any communication is archived publicly and widely available to the public</div><div>3. While initial discussions are generally on-topic, they typically detoriate over a short period of time</div><div>4. Too much non-technical traffic is still being generated</div><div><br></div><div>It has been agreed that a new closed list will be created. Requirements are listed on the site and include:</div><div><br></div><div><ol>
<li> network operator/administrator or engineer on a public network with an ASN.</li>
<li> technical expert for network hardware or software systems</li>
<li> Owner/operator of underlying critical network infrastructure (data
centres, underground infrastructure eg. pit/pipe, submarine or
inter-capital, energy and utility providers)</li>
<li> Persons who are widely recognised as having considerable and valuable input to the community</li></ol></div><div>It is the intention that the list will build over a reasonably short period of time to include all major network and infrastructure administrators and owners.</div><div><br></div><div>Now to be very clear – it is not intended to replace Ausnog and will NOT replace Ausnog. Ausnog is a very valuable resource to the community. However what has become apparent is that there is a substantial amount of information that is not discussed or disclosed to the Ausnog list for fear of possible sensitive information being republished.</div><div><br></div><div>Currently running a test environment here: <a href="https://noglist.com/test.php">https://noglist.com/test.php</a> </div><div><br></div><div>This is for information only and not intended for discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>[b]</div></body></html>