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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My understanding was it could be configured to do a check only if an SPF record was available and pass any mail that does have one as per normal (in fact I thought this was default behaviour)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For example, Hotmail had SPF record checking on (last time I looked into it) and if you didn’t have SPF records you could still send to Hotmail addresses, but if your SPF was wrong or didn’t work correctly you got blocked. Hotmail address testing was a recommended step to configuring SPF records.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also I would agree that this particular service is probably one that could deal with those conditions even if they are accurate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Ayden Beeson</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 April 2013 2:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Karl Hardisty; ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Conspiracy? Manupulation? See it for yourself!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>I agree, this is a NOG list, surely most of the people who would be wanting/needing to post to the list are masters of their own DNS/destiny or can work with whoever is to get an entry added ?<br><br>regards,<br>Tony.<br><br>(yes, I'm posting from a yahoo account, do they have SFP/TXT records, I don't know and haven't bothered to check. If it becomes an issue for me not being able to post to the list then I'll happily deal with it)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Karl Hardisty <karl@mothership.co.nz><br><b>To:</b> "ausnog@ausnog.net" <ausnog@ausnog.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 April 2013 2:17 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Conspiracy? Manupulation? See it for yourself!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1752280832><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>What's the point of bringing in measures to fight spam if everyone ignores it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Enforce it, and drag the providers who are ignoring it into the 21st century.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>As for not having control over one's own DNS, I'll let others debate the merits of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>E</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'> <a href="mailto:karl@mothership.co.nz" target="_blank">karl@mothership.co.nz</a> </span></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>W </span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'><a href="http://mothership.co.nz/" target="_blank">mothership.co.nz</a> </span></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>A</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'> PO Box 99814, Newmarket</span></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#515151'> </span></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>M </span></b></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>021 999 990 </span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>l</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'>P</span></b></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#4A442A'> 974 3171</span></span><span class=yiv1752280832apple-style-span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#515151'> </span></b></span><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On 24/04/2013, at 4:13 PM, Heinz N <<a href="mailto:ausnog@equisoft.com.au" target="_blank">ausnog@equisoft.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Not everyone has SPF or TXT records. If the MTA enforces SPF, then senders without it will get bounced. Also note that not everyone has control of their DNS. It is sad that there is so little usage of SPF & TXT records in the wild. If *everyone* has SPF then spam would be heavily diminished. Unfortunately there are just too many people who don't like adding extra records in their zone files.<br><br>- Heinz<br><br>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Chris Jones wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Wouldn't a simpler solution be:<br><br>1. Add an SPF record for <a href="http://ausnog.net/" target="_blank">ausnog.net</a><br>2. Enforce this on <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/" target="_blank">lists.ausnog.net</a><br><br>??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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