<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://328/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">No, it's not trivial at all. As I said, pick your poison. <div><br></div><div>New hardware on the ends is still easier than digging holes to the end user. Or should I say - all the end users. However - sooner or later, those holes need to be dug. </div><div><br></div><div>Decent speeds nationally is still a good thing aside from the above, as it's motivation for content to move at least one step closer to the end user. </div><div><br></div><div>k.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 16/04/2013, at 9:25 PM, Paul Wallace <<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Transit oversubscription is not a trivial challenge. To suggest that it’ll simply disappear some-time soon is like suggesting that the peak hour congestion on the Sydney Harbour Bridge is going to magically evaporate soon, or to suggest that power oversubscription in QLD in summer will magically disappear & the investment in ‘smart grid’ will largely be wasted. When I was a kid there was almost never any congestion on the single lane Gold Coast – Brisbane highway, yet today the 8-10 lane superhighway that replaced that road locks daily from 30kms south of Brisbane.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Ah … the breathtakingly insensitive comments by Minister Conroy suggesting that he might snap his fingers & build a trunk across to California to further competition spring to mind! ‘m then reminded of the observation of Michael Malone, CEO of iinet who said something like “Stephen Conroy is the worst Telecommunications Minister to ever hold office”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:ausnog-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Karl Hardisty<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:12 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Very funny NBN skit<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Oversubscription is insane presently, but when backhaul and international connectivity catches up?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The alternative is for slow end user speeds, which requires addressing via a national rollout of some sort, which requires….<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">See where we're going here? <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Pick your poison.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">k.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(192, 0, 0); ">l</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); ">E</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); "> <a href="mailto:karl@mothership.co.nz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">karl@mothership.co.nz</a> </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(192, 0, 0); ">l</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); ">W </span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); "><a href="http://mothership.co.nz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mothership.co.nz</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(192, 0, 0); ">l</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); ">A</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); "> PO Box 99814, Newmarket</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(81, 81, 81); "> </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(192, 0, 0); ">l</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); ">M </span></b></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); ">021 999 990 </span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(192, 0, 0); ">l</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); ">P</span></b></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(74, 68, 42); "> 974 3171</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: rgb(81, 81, 81); "> </span></b></span><span lang="EN-GB"></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 16/04/2013, at 9:02 PM, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Aye, except the over subscription is insane. Obviously it is probably similar with google fiber, but those japanese plans are designed mostly for national traffic, not international. And again probably obviously you can draw the same conclusion with just about any country including AU, but I guess the point is, you shouldn't drool too much, most of the internet cannot be reached much beyond 50-100Mbps anyway, so unless you want lots of parallel..<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Tim March <<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">march.tim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>Did anyone else catch this today...<br><br><a href="http://www.geek.com/news/japanese-isp-leaves-google-fiber-in-the-dust-with-2gbps-downloads-1552115/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.geek.com/news/japanese-isp-leaves-google-fiber-in-the-dust-with-2gbps-downloads-1552115/</a><br><br>"While the United States drools over Google Fiber‘s $70 per month residential internet speeds of 700Mbps up and down as it slowly rolls out to certain parts of the country, a Japanese ISP has left those mind-boggling speeds in the dust. For just $51 per month (if subscribed with a two-year contract), So-net Entertainment will provide customers with a 2Gbps download speed, and a 1Gbps upload speed."<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><br><br><br><br><span class="hoenzb">T.</span></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br>On 16/04/13 6:54 PM, Kai wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I like Turnbull's reasoning but so far I'm not keen on his proposed methods...<br><a href="http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=862621&vId=3906806" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=862621&vId=3906806</a><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>To: "<<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>Sent: Tuesday, 16 April, 2013 4:33:12 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi<br>Subject: [AusNOG] Very funny NBN skit<br><br><br><br><br>This should lighten the mood.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptIs0k-spg&list=UUPyb1dDiGoZ07j_DKzam4sQ&index=1" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptIs0k-spg&list=UUPyb1dDiGoZ07j_DKzam4sQ&index=1</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>...Skeeve<br><br><br><br>Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br><br><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; 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