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Not too bad a read...<br>
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Adam Niedzwiedzki<br>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Aqius" <aqius@lavabit.com></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"'Serge Burjak'"
<sburjak@systech.com.au>, "'J Williams'" <jphwilliams@gmail.com>,
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">13/04/2013 11:09 AM</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [AusNOG]
Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
melbournefreeuniversity.org.</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">As an outsider, this block
appears to have been terribly executed. </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Presuming there is a single
site or at most a few that are the cause of the block, over 1000 other
sites have had their business or welfare interrupted. Blocked since at
least Wednesday according to the MFU facebook page. </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I’ll leave whether transparency
of filtering is appropriate or not, but it is clear from this event that
the process at least needs to be if we are to have any form of confidence
one of us or our clients are going to be safe from disappearing inappropriately.</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">If the party responsible
for implementing the filter was a commercial business, there would be some
significant repercussions. It is entirely reasonable that the government
be subject to the same level of expectations. </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">1. Was
any communication attempted with the hosting provider to target the site?</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">2. Was
any communication initiated with other parties that might be affected?</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">3. Will
there be reasonable compensation provided to the inadvertently affected
parties, including the hosting provider assuming they have not contributed
to the pain?</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">4. If
MFU was not affected, how would an inappropriately affected client know
and how would they see it released?</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">It is a stretch to think
that secrecy was required for some reason (a police or ASIO sting operation
etc) in the filters implementation, but even if that was the case, an appropriate
transparent policy could still provide avenues for official query and resolution.</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">It is logical that the members
of this list at least notified of the policy as we are the ones that will
need to work with it and around it. Considering the seemingly bungled job
that was has been done in this case, I also suggest it best if we actually
help create it.</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">If such a policy is already
in place, how did we end up here?</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">R’s,</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Jason</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Serge Burjak<b><br>
Sent:</b> Saturday, 13 April 2013 10:37<b><br>
To:</b> J Williams<b><br>
Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">What is a lawful request in this
instance?</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
On 13/04/2013, at 9:56, J Williams <</font><a href=mailto:jphwilliams@gmail.com><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>jphwilliams@gmail.com</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Finally a sensible answer.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">The carriers may be complying with
a request from a lawful enforcement agency to filter this IP address, and
are therefore unable to provide any further details, as per their obligations.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Telling them to 'man up' (which
could be interpreted as sexist) or shooting down the intermediary is ridiculous
and unhelpful.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Firstly, since this is deliberately
blocked, the parties involved need to direct their queries to the relevant
government body, perhaps -> </font><a href=http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>http://www.afp.gov.au/contactaspx</u></font></a>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Secondly, the internet has many
workarounds, the end user can change hosting (to within Australia?) or
ask the current provider for a different IP address, etc.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Please let us know how you go Danny.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Regards,</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Julian</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM,
Phillip Grasso <</font><a href=mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>phillip.grasso@gmail.com</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">>
wrote:</font>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">If government interception was involved
any parties cooperating wouldn't be able to say anything. Why won't the
end user move another service and see if the block follows them.</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, "Joshua
D'Alton" <</font><a href=mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>joshua@railgun.com.au</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Verdana">**</font><a href=http://ford.com/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Verdana"><u>ford.com</u></font></a>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Verdana">Well theres the culprit... ;)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
<br>
The sad thing is the real culprit site has more than likely already moved
to another IP, leaving all these legit sites up the creek. It's the piracy/DRM
argument all over again :(</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM,
Simon Lyall <</font><a href=mailto:simon@darkmere.gen.nz target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>simon@darkmere.gen.nz</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">1. Works from New Zealand<br>
<br>
2. There is a list of websites hosted on that IP at </font><a href=http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104 target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
. However they obscure the first two characters of each domain. Skimming
though it nothing really jumped out. A fairly high number of Australian
sites, all boring stuff:<br>
</font><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=http://www.clanfraser.org.au/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>www.clanfraser.org.au</u></font></a><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=http://www.tradecoastproperties.com.au/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>www.tradecoastproperties.com.au</u></font></a><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=http://www.fromholtz.com.au/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>www.fromholtz.com.au</u></font></a><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=http://www.brunswickplace.com.au/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>www.brunswickplace.com.au</u></font></a><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=http://www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
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I keep expecting to find a Queensland dentist..</font><font size=3 color=#8f8f8f face="Times New Roman"><br>
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-- <br>
Simon Lyall | Very Busy | Web: </font><a href=http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/</u></font></a><font size=3 color=#8f8f8f face="Times New Roman"><br>
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