<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Hi Serge,</div><div><br></div><div>This is a network operators group. If you don't know what a "lawful request" is, then you don't operate a network (at least envisaged by this list). If you are wanting to know what the "lawful request in this instance" then you don't operate a network, because if you did, you would know that if you receive a lawful request to block, then you can't talk about it, meaning you won't get an answer to your question on this list.</div><div><br></div><div>Either way, do your research off list please – it's [mostly] all there. The rest of it is when you do your Interception Capability Plan with the Attorney Generals Department and others and as you can guess – they/we can't talk about that either. But we (Network Operators) all already know that too…</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>[b]</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Serge Burjak <<a href="mailto:sburjak@systech.com.au">sburjak@systech.com.au</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Saturday, 13 April 2013 10:37 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> J Williams <<a href="mailto:jphwilliams@gmail.com">jphwilliams@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto"><div>What is a lawful request in this instance?</div><div><br>On 13/04/2013, at 9:56, J Williams <<a href="mailto:jphwilliams@gmail.com">jphwilliams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Finally a sensible answer.<div style="">The carriers may be complying with a request from a lawful enforcement agency to filter this IP address, and are therefore unable to provide any further details, as per their obligations.</div><div style="">Telling them to 'man up' (which could be interpreted as sexist) or shooting down the intermediary is ridiculous and unhelpful.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">Firstly, since this is deliberately blocked, the parties involved need to direct their queries to the relevant government body, perhaps -> <a href="http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx">http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx</a><br></div><div style="">Secondly, the internet has many workarounds, the end user can change hosting (to within Australia?) or ask the current provider for a different IP address, etc.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">Please let us know how you go Danny.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">Regards,</div><div style="">Julian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Phillip Grasso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">If government interception was involved any parties cooperating wouldn't be able to say anything. Why won't the end user move another service and see if the block follows them.</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, "Joshua D'Alton" <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(221, 238, 238); ">**<a href="http://ford.com" target="_blank">ford.com</a></span><div><font face="verdana,arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="verdana,arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">Well theres the culprit... ;)<br></span></font><br>The sad thing is the real culprit site has more than likely already moved to another IP, leaving all these legit sites up the creek. It's the piracy/DRM argument all over again :(<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Simon Lyall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@darkmere.gen.nz" target="_blank">simon@darkmere.gen.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
1. Works from New Zealand<br><br>
2. There is a list of websites hosted on that IP at <a href="http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104" target="_blank">http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.<u></u>54.104</a> . However they obscure the first two characters of each domain. Skimming though it nothing really jumped out. A fairly high number of Australian sites, all boring stuff:<br><br><a href="http://www.clanfraser.org.au" target="_blank">www.clanfraser.org.au</a><br><a href="http://www.tradecoastproperties.com.au" target="_blank">www.tradecoastproperties.com.<u></u>au</a><br><a href="http://www.fromholtz.com.au" target="_blank">www.fromholtz.com.au</a><br><a href="http://www.brunswickplace.com.au" target="_blank">www.brunswickplace.com.au</a><br><a href="http://www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au" target="_blank">www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au</a><br><br>
I keep expecting to find a Queensland dentist..<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>
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