<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Interesting that I can get to it via my Telstra connection here (loads ok in browser too)</div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><div style="font-family: '.Helvetica NeueUI'; font-size: 14px; text-align: left; ">Traceroute to <a href="http://melbournefreeuniversity.org">melbournefreeuniversity.org</a> (198.136.54.104), 64 hops max.</div><div style="font-family: '.Helvetica NeueUI'; 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font-size: 14px; text-align: left; ">*** Traceroute at destination ***</div></div><div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 11/04/2013, at 6:23 PM, Ben O'Hara <<a href="mailto:bohara@apnic.net">bohara@apnic.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>For whats its worth I can get to it over TPG dsl at home, but from the</span><br><span>office, using telstra transit it appears blocked somewhere with telstra.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ben</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/04/2013 18:02, "Skeeve Stevens"</span><br><span><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes. AAPT, man up and tell us what is going on.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If you can't, tell us who can, and we will pursue them.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>...Skeeve</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/">http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/</a>>Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>753 383 ; <a href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> <<a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks">http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>; <<a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau">http://twitter.com/networkceoau</a>><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve">http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> <<a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau">http://twitter.com/networkceoau</a>> ; blog:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.network-ceo.net">www.network-ceo.net</a> <<a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/">http://www.network-ceo.net/</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Tim March</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com">march.tim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>So, the initial questions I have for AAPT at this point are;</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1. Under what directive are you blocking traffic to IP addresses? Are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>you voluntarily complying with some sort of government filtering</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>initiative or doing so at the request of some other law enforcement</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>agency - eg, AFP, as some people have suggested ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 2. How are requests to block particular IP addresses processed - Are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>you provided with a complete list from $Organisation/$Agency from time to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>time, or do you add individual /32 or other blocks to the list as</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>requested ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 3. Who is responsibly for the administration of that list at both the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>presumed external agency and internally at AAPT ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 4. How many IP addresses is AAPT currently blocking either</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>voluntarily or in compliance with whatever LEA request ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 5. Is this list made publicly available for review? If it's not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>already published (I'm guessing it's not) is AAPT willing to provide a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>copy of the current list for review ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Obviously most members of the list can take fairly educated guesses at</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>most of the above, but I'd like a specific, public answer from either</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>AAPT or another carrier to each of the questions...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>T.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 11/04/13 5:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Wouldn't they need to tell all carriage service providers. We can still</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>get to it via one of our other links. If we dont know we have to block it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>how would we do so. Also you can add pipe to the list looks like they</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>are blocking it as well.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Matt.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 11/04/13 5:42 PM, Geordie Guy wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>That filter uses DNS poisoning. The more likely scenario is the AFP can</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>issue direction that an ISP "take reasonable steps to uphold the law" and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>they're issued that here with an IP as the target.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 11/04/2013 5:39 PM, "Damian Guppy" <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Given all the people saying internode / iinet works fine, and their</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>market size, I would have to think we are looking at a voluntary</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>implementation of a government filter. Which I think is pretty poor form</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for Telstra / Optus / AAPT to be forcing</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>their (ineffective) filter onto their downstream customers without any</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sort of acknowledgement. This is probably one of thoes things that needs</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to blow up on whirlpool to get a real response out of whoever as to what</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is happening.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Of course, if this is a new addition to the rumored mandatory blacklist</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that all ISP's have to adhear to it could just be iiNet havent updated</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>their tables. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--Damian</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Benjamin Donald-Wilson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:benny@thesii.org">benny@thesii.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yep, works from a friend's Internode connection in Sydney.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Heinz N <<a href="mailto:ausnog@equisoft.com.au">ausnog@equisoft.com.au</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Benjamin Donald-Wilson wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I just got someone to check the website though his University</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>of Queensland VPN. He says he can access it though that but not directly</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>though his normal Bigpond internet connection.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yeah, I can get to it through an OS Proxy & TOR network. If these idiot</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>politicians think they can stop anyone getting to anywhere, they are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>deluded. A 12 year old could get past this "block". This is what comes of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>having clueless politicians trying to "regulate"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>something that they have never used. They will only be happy when they</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>block /0</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yep, no doubt a 12 year old could get past the block, I'm only a few</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>years older then that.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>AusNOG mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>AusNOG mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>AusNOG mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.nethttp">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.nethttp</a>://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>/* Matt Perkins </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. 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